Was this a mistake or a bad beat?
 

1/2 live
Hero on button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ~$150 behind
Villian BB with approx $250

PF
three limpers, hero raised to $10, BB called, one other caller, all else fold.

Flop
10[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
BB checked, limper checked, hero bet $25, BB raised to $50, limper folded, hero pushes.

Re: Was this a mistake or a bad beat?
 

Reads?

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Easy Push.

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I don't understand the subject.

Re: Was this a mistake or a bad beat?
 

If villain had AK or KQs, then yes.

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This would be a hard fold and one that I dont think I am good enough to make. Did you have any reads. Look at the situation he is not miniraising you with a flush draw and he would lead the flop with a big ace so there are not too many hands that you are ahead of that would play this way, but in the middle of the moment it would be hard for me to fold this.

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BB loved raising pf. I had only been at the table ~30 minutes so no good reads. I had no real good idea what the mini-raise meant, but my gut told me flush draw. If he had a set, I would think that he would raise bigger on that board with the potential straight draws and flush draw.

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I don't see the debate. This is an instant shove.

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Looks good. You can't really tell what BB has but you have a good hand and a short stack, time to put it in and find out.

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I disagree that this would not be a flush draw. With the mini-check raise, he could hope that I would check behind on the turn instead of bet. This way he may be able to see the turn and river for only $25 more.

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i dont raise preflop, but yea. this is fine

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BB loved raising pf. I had only been at the table ~30 minutes so no good reads. I had no real good idea what the mini-raise meant, but my gut told me flush draw. If he had a set, I would think that he would raise bigger on that board with the potential straight draws and flush draw.

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If he had a flush draw, he is the worst player ever to play it this way. I would not think this was a flush draw. I would think it would be either an ace, a10 or a set.

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I play it the same. You are in the most trouble against AT or a set. If he had one of those hands you were doomed here IMO. Against all other hands you are in great shape, and if you got sucked out on you definitely played it well and got your money in while a favorite. Nice hand.

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Looks good. You can't really tell what BB has but you have a good hand and a short stack, time to put it in and find out.

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Its only bad if you lose [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] <font color="white"> Looks fine </font>

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I was up against ATo. I really believe that the mini-raise threw me for a loop. This was such a draw heavy board, I really believed it was far more likely villian was on a medium to strong draw as opposed to a better made hand. We flipped our hands after the all in, and the turn was a diamond, however I was unable to suck out on the river.

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I hate raising this type of hand in a juicy live game. You'll have no idea where you stand after the flop and you're now playing a big pot with a marginal hand in what will almost certainly be a multiway pot (since in live play once someone limps, they almost always call a raise). That's my two cents.