Stars 100NL, set on flop, deep stacks
 

Villain in this hand had ~600BB when I sat down. He seemed pretty solid and wasn't playing many hands, and he hasn't been 3-betting preflop much.

I had one big hand against him where I got most of my stack. He raised preflop with TT, I reraised with KK. Flop was 973, I potted it, turn J, I bet and he raised all-in and I called (the raise wasn't very big relative to the pot at that time).

On to the hand...

Stars $100NL, effective stacks $300
Hero (SB) 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Villain (BB)

Folded to Hero, Hero raises $3.5, Villain reraises to $10, Hero calls.

Flop: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Hero bets $15, Villain raises $45, Hero raises $120...

At the time, I was trying to make my hand look like 77+ and I was hoping he would go broke with AA or KK. Afterwards, I started to think that AA or KK put in a lot of money either way, and so I should try to get more value in case he has a hand like TT-QQ.

So how was the flop 3-bet? Should I have called and bet turn, or something else?

Re: Stars 100NL, set on flop, deep stacks
 

Check raise the flop, he might put you all in.

Re: Stars 100NL, set on flop, deep stacks
 

looks fine to me. shove turn

Re: Stars 100NL, set on flop, deep stacks
 

Leading the flop is correct here, there's a lot of money in the two stacks to try to maneuver into the middle, so you might as well get the process started ASAP.

Once he raises, I'd call with the intention of checkraise pushing the turn. I love me the stack-a-donk play.

Re: Stars 100NL, set on flop, deep stacks
 

I don't have a huge problem with this play. He could be doing that with AKd but my read would put him on a top pp as well. To get more value I would call and bet the turn hard. He can get away from a big pocket pair with your three bet. If you bet the turn hard you are going to make more money. Looks like a stop and go. If the turn wasen't scary, I would go for the cr.

Re: Stars 100NL, set on flop, deep stacks
 

Looks fine. Villain re-raised you preflop and on the flop, so he likes his hand. I like leading the flop and 3-betting. You have the best hand. Get it in now. I hope he pushed the flop.

Re: Stars 100NL, set on flop, deep stacks
 

You need to get the money in here as fast as you can. You dont want a scare card like the 4 of diamonds or something to come off and chase away your action. I like your play. Push the turn.

Results
 

Villain folded to the 3-bet.

Thanks for the comments.

Re: Stars 100NL, set on flop, deep stacks
 

I could see just callin his raise with the plan to c/r the turn

Re: Stars 100NL, set on flop, deep stacks
 

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I could see just callin his raise with the plan to c/r the turn

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This would be absolutely terrible. Villain most likely has an overpair and their are huge number of action killing turns. Villain is also much more likely to believe that Hero just has an overpair if he shows lots of aggresion on the flop as opposed to the turn.

Re: Stars 100NL, set on flop, deep stacks
 

Actually I find a big flop 3-bet here lets villain get away from his big overpair too easy a lot of the time, which is why I like calling the raise and checkraising the turn. I'm not real worried about a flush draw here.

Re: Stars 100NL, set on flop, deep stacks
 

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Actually I find a big flop 3-bet here lets villain get away from his big overpair too easy a lot of the time, which is why I like calling the raise and checkraising the turn. I'm not real worried about a flush draw here.

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Re: Stars 100NL, set on flop, deep stacks
 

Yeah, I considered the call and either lead or c/r turn but I was too afraid of a scare card hitting and killing my action. After his flop raise we still had $245 behind and I wanted to get that in the middle.

Re: Stars 100NL, set on flop, deep stacks
 

IF villian has an over pair he is drawing to 2 outs. thats a good thing.

IF we let villian with ak type hands hit an ace or king well thats a good thing to.

Villian is rarely going to think just overpair if we get aggressive...You wouldnt think that and I wouldnt think that if im villian. by just callin it looks like we have possibly a draw or top pair. An overpair is gonna bet a decent turn card and we get paid off.

Re: Stars 100NL, set on flop, deep stacks
 

There's a good chance neither one of us is wrong. A lot of this is villain-dependent as well.

EDIT: This is directed at Fly.

Re: Stars 100NL, set on flop, deep stacks
 

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IF villian has an over pair he is drawing to 2 outs. thats a good thing.

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Drawing to 2 outs to win, but a lot more "outs" to let him off the hook (i.e. straight cards, diamonds). If he has a hand like QQ-TT there are a lot of turn cards that he would hate. The question is, do we get enough extra value out of him when a good turn card hits to make up for him folding when a bad turn card comes?

Re: Stars 100NL, set on flop, deep stacks
 

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There's a good chance neither one of us is wrong. A lot of this is villain-dependent as well.

EDIT: This is directed at Fly.

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btw, I was semi-joking when I said "well then your just wrong".

Re: Stars 100NL, set on flop, deep stacks
 

I don't like this line. A decent player's going to dump his overpair to this. You can lead, call the raise, then c/c the turn or c/r turn ai depending on stacks. (He probably can get away from that as well given stacks).

It might be a decent spot for a small flop c/r. If he bets $15, c/r him to $35. That gives you a $90 pot if called. And then you can lead the turn for around $40 to try to suck him in. Lead river for $100 and you get about 2 buy-ins off of his Kings.