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cmcxchris 07-24-2006 11:29 PM

esfandiari and hachem 10-25 at rio
 
esfandiari has 50 grand in cash and 50ish behind in chips. hachem has 75ish.
raise from other player of 200ish 5 callers. flop comes 722. bet 500, hachem raises 2500, esfandiari calls, all else fold. turn comes a J. hachem bets 7000. esfandiari thinks awhile and calls. river comes an A. hachem bets 12000. esfandiari goes in the tank and thinks for 10 minutes. calls. hachem shows 76 and esfandiari wins with 88.

comments?

cmcxchris 07-24-2006 11:31 PM

Re: esfandiari and hachem 10-25 at rio
 
by the way, ,no flush draws

07-24-2006 11:31 PM

Re: esfandiari and hachem 10-25 at rio
 
gamboooooooooool

MDMA 07-24-2006 11:33 PM

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Since there is no mentioning/description of body language, fiddling with chips/cash etc, I can in no way see how the fact that he has "50 grand in cash and 50ish behind in chips" has any bearing on the analysis as opposed to just saying that he has 100k.

I'm guessing you just found it cool as hell to mention that you saw 50k in live cash.

cmcxchris 07-24-2006 11:35 PM

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yep, that's right [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] later i went back and he had 200ish in cash. and yes, it was insane to see that much money in cash.

edge 07-24-2006 11:38 PM

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I'm guessing you just found it cool as hell to mention that you saw 50k in live cash.

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I would consider that cool as hell.

Slider 07-24-2006 11:40 PM

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Looks like that would be a fun game to sit with like 5k.

ckboddic 07-24-2006 11:41 PM

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I'm guessing you just found it cool as hell to mention that you saw 50k in live cash.

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I would consider that cool as hell.

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Requin 07-24-2006 11:41 PM

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Looks like that would be a fun game to sit with like 500 .

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fsuplayer 07-25-2006 06:38 AM

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would LOVE to see yukon brad take the next open seat and see what happens. he would buy to cover, that is for sure.

Prevaricator 07-25-2006 06:42 AM

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i think hachems play is pretty bad

fslexcduck 07-25-2006 06:43 AM

Re: esfandiari and hachem 10-25 at rio
 
sometimes you make thin value bets and run into monsters, what can you do?

bugstud 07-25-2006 06:44 AM

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would LOVE to see yukon brad take the next open seat and see what happens. he would buy to cover, that is for sure.

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probably buyin for 200k.

SilverLining1 07-25-2006 10:02 AM

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1. Fun post.

2. I think we all know what the problems were in this hand.

HEK 07-25-2006 10:12 AM

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i think hachems play is pretty bad

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I seriously think Hachem thought he was betting the river for value. He's horrible.

curzdog 07-25-2006 10:22 AM

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I was playing at the table during this hand. Two clarifications that should be made are:

1) The game was actually $25 ante, $50 BB (only one $50 blind with a $25 ante, which plays much bigger than 10-25.. or 25/50 for that matter)

2) The whole table had a side bet going that if you won with 72 and showed, everyone at the table would give you $100. Since everyone was playing 72 everytime they got it, you could see how this would factor in slightly in a hand with a 722 flop.

I have never been a huge fan of Antonio, but I must give him credit for those calls.

Hachem won about $22k off some guy about an hour later with AA vs KK all in preflop.. so he made it back in short order. Hachem, is a real nice guy. In fact he bought a bottle of Johnny Walker Blue for the table.

The table also included at different times; Kenna James, Mike Gracz, and Johnny Chan.

I'm proud to say I won my 72 side bet vs. Chan and Hachem... My highlight of the night/trip.

SilverLining1 07-25-2006 10:26 AM

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Did Hachem even bother to put Esfandieri on a hand before he chose what amount to bet on the river? DIIIIICK.

IRV 07-25-2006 10:27 AM

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Hachem, is a real nice guy.

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In fact he bought a bottle of Johnny Walker Blue for the table.

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awesome.

john kane 07-25-2006 11:14 AM

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i was thinking the exact same as silverlining1.

hachem seems to keep firing in the hope esfandieri will fold, not putting him on a hand and deciding the best course of action.

07-25-2006 01:33 PM

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i think hachems play is pretty bad

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I seriously think Hachem thought he was betting the river for value. He's horrible.

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Obviously I can't say whether or not he was betting the river for value, but I think his bet on the river is requisite.

Problem is, I have a feeling Hachem never knew whether he was value-betting or bluffing at any point in the hand.

And I'm utterly baffled by his turn bet.

Sponger. 07-25-2006 02:25 PM

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2) The whole table had a side bet going that if you won with 72 and showed, everyone at the table would give you $100. Since everyone was playing 72 everytime they got it

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So rad

fsuplayer 07-25-2006 02:39 PM

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2) The whole table had a side bet going that if you won with 72 and showed, everyone at the table would give you $100. Since everyone was playing 72 everytime they got it

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So rad

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we played this at our home game for a few weeks. creates a great table vibe, makes people play stupid and is overall awesome for the game.

TheWorstPlayer 07-25-2006 02:46 PM

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At my home game, everyone plays 85 like it's the nuts no matter the board. This is particularly true preflop. It really does add to making the game great. And whenever the board comes 885 in a re-raised pot, there is an extra tension...

Raised2Win 07-25-2006 02:58 PM

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Lets say hachem saw what esfandiari had in his hand.. Wouldn't he not bet whole lot because it might look like a bluff. But a small valuebet looking bet, like he did. Everybody critizes his play but in my mind it was pretty good agaist esfandiaris hand.. antonio just made a nice call.

flawless_victory 07-25-2006 03:19 PM

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i was thinking the exact same as silverlining1.

hachem seems to keep firing in the hope esfandieri will fold, not putting him on a hand and deciding the best course of action.

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i was thinkig the same thing as all the readers who were noting what a fxcking fish u are...

Lyric 07-25-2006 04:02 PM

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I was playing at the table during this hand. Two clarifications that should be made are:

1) The game was actually $25 ante, $50 BB (only one $50 blind with a $25 ante, which plays much bigger than 10-25.. or 25/50 for that matter)

2) The whole table had a side bet going that if you won with 72 and showed, everyone at the table would give you $100. Since everyone was playing 72 everytime they got it, you could see how this would factor in slightly in a hand with a 722 flop.

I have never been a huge fan of Antonio, but I must give him credit for those calls.

Hachem won about $22k off some guy about an hour later with AA vs KK all in preflop.. so he made it back in short order. Hachem, is a real nice guy. In fact he bought a bottle of Johnny Walker Blue for the table.

The table also included at different times; Kenna James, Mike Gracz, and Johnny Chan.

I'm proud to say I won my 72 side bet vs. Chan and Hachem... My highlight of the night/trip.

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Thank you. This clarifies the entire hand.

Hachem is repping 72. Antonio can only beat a bluff, but knows Hachem is probably trying to rep 72 and makes two great calls.

aejones 07-25-2006 04:57 PM

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This hand is funny and proves two things to me.

1. You don't have to be a poker god to win the WSOP (duh).

2. Cash games are different than donkaments.

subblime 07-25-2006 06:03 PM

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$100 per head is way too small for the (72) bounty in such a big game. That and people usually raise PF with the bounty. Hard to put Hachem on 72 if he didn't raise or reraise. What was his position?

Bill King 07-25-2006 06:04 PM

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he bought a bottle of Johnny Walker Blue for the table.

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i like him already [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

07-25-2006 06:14 PM

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At my home game, everyone plays 85 like it's the nuts no matter the board. This is particularly true preflop. It really does add to making the game great. And whenever the board comes 885 in a re-raised pot, there is an extra tension...

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This msut have happened all of one time, huh?

SA125 07-25-2006 08:06 PM

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I don't get the Hachem haters here. I think that after the flop he decided to take it down and it's a gutsy play. He put him to the test. Many others would have folded 88. I like it.

fsuplayer 07-25-2006 09:05 PM

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$100 per head is way too small for the (72) bounty in such a big game.

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umm, thats why good players introduce this rule??

cmcxchris 07-25-2006 09:30 PM

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are you sure it was blue? he bought a bottle of black while i was watching. he actually was pretty fun with it. he was asking for a table, talking about saying "if i put it on the table mate that'd look just awful."

Roman 07-25-2006 11:05 PM

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I don't get the Hachem haters here. I think that after the flop he decided to take it down and it's a gutsy play. He put him to the test. Many others would have folded 88. I like it.

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yea but u gotta consider his image

PartySNGer 07-26-2006 01:13 AM

Re: esfandiari and hachem 10-25 at rio
 
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At my home game, everyone plays 85 like it's the nuts no matter the board. This is particularly true preflop. It really does add to making the game great. And whenever the board comes 885 in a re-raised pot, there is an extra tension...

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This msut have happened all of one time, huh?

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Yah, but the tension was probably unbelievable that hand.

BobboFitos 07-26-2006 01:41 AM

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they both are loaded

TheWorstPlayer 07-26-2006 11:30 AM

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At my home game, everyone plays 85 like it's the nuts no matter the board. This is particularly true preflop. It really does add to making the game great. And whenever the board comes 885 in a re-raised pot, there is an extra tension...

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This msut have happened all of one time, huh?

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Yah, but the tension was probably unbelievable that hand.

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The guy from Mike's home game was dealing. It happened a few hands in a row...

john kane 07-26-2006 12:25 PM

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i was thinking the exact same as silverlining1.

hachem seems to keep firing in the hope esfandieri will fold, not putting him on a hand and deciding the best course of action.

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i was thinkig the same thing as all the readers who were noting what a fxcking fish u are...

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was that a random insult at me, hachem or silverlining1?

chill.

ObnxNole 07-26-2006 05:04 PM

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would LOVE to see yukon brad take the next open seat and see what happens. he would buy to cover, that is for sure.

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Die Yukon! Die!

mikech 07-26-2006 05:09 PM

Re: esfandiari and hachem 10-25 at rio
 
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At my home game, everyone plays 85 like it's the nuts no matter the board. This is particularly true preflop. It really does add to making the game great. And whenever the board comes 885 in a re-raised pot, there is an extra tension...

[/ QUOTE ]

This msut have happened all of one time, huh?

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Yah, but the tension was probably unbelievable that hand.

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The guy from Mike's home game was dealing. It happened a few hands in a row...

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i actually let him back in my homegame after a couple months' exile...haven't seen any more top-set-vs-middle-set-vs-nut-straight-vs-nut-flush-vs-straight-flush flops since then!


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