AA - very basic
 

No stats yet on villain, but he seems non-solid. I had potted the flop on a similar board recently against him (he folded) so I suspected he didn't have much after calling the flop.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button ($62.50)
SB ($296.76)
Hero ($67.05)
UTG ($34)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.50, SB (poster) completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, Button calls $1.50, SB folds.

Flop: ($4.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, Button calls $4.

Turn: ($12.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, Button calls $12.

River: ($44.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>.

Final Pot: $64.50

Re: AA - very basic
 

Looks pretty standard, if he didn't call preflop with 34 or hit his runner-runner flush.
I would raise about 20 on the turn, every thing else is fine.

Re: AA - very basic
 

Tonding: why 20 on the turn? Almost everything you are beating will fold to that raise.

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Tonding: why 20 on the turn? Almost everything you are beating will fold to that raise.

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With his bet on the turn, he either has a very good hand like 2 pair or a low set and wants you to raise oir he tries to bluff you pretty bad.
Imo if he has a made hand, you gain even more from him through the bigger bet.

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Last night at Winstar I had a similar hand. Ah As, playing $2/$5 NL, raise to $15 from SB with only BB left in hand. BB is a crazy lunatic. BB calls, flop is Qh,5h,2s I check because I don't put SB on QQ and I don't think he has a flush draw, but I know he's crazy and will bet anyways. He throws $50 into a $30 pot. I reraise to $150 he calls quickly.

Turn is a 6d, I move all in for a remaining $120 or so, calls quickly, river is Ad. Villian turns over 3,4 offsuit. 2 to 6 high straight.

Two more hands later Villian calls a $1400 all in, with two players all in the hand one for $500 the other for $1400, on a Q,J,10 board with I think two spades. Villian beats a flopped straight and flopped top two pair when he hits his flush on the river.

Lesson here, some people just don't like money and they are willing to pay anything to see the next card. Against these players, get all the money you can into the hand and let them call.

I don't know about your hand Isura, but I'm assuming the guy sucked out on you. Most of the time these guys are so busy trying to hit their draw and get you to fold representing AA that they never bother to consider you have AA yourself

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Last night at Winstar I had a similar hand. Ah As, playing $2/$5 NL, raise to $15 from SB with only BB left in hand. BB is a crazy lunatic. BB calls, flop is Qh,5h,2s I check because I don't put SB on QQ and I don't think he has a flush draw, but I know he's crazy and will bet anyways. He throws $50 into a $30 pot. I reraise to $150 he calls quickly.

Turn is a 6d, I move all in for a remaining $120 or so, calls quickly, river is Ad. Villian turns over 3,4 offsuit. 2 to 6 high straight.

Two more hands later Villian calls a $1400 all in, with two players all in the hand one for $500 the other for $1400, on a Q,J,10 board with I think two spades. Villian beats a flopped straight and flopped top two pair when he hits his flush on the river.

Lesson here, some people just don't like money and they are willing to pay anything to see the next card. Against these players, get all the money you can into the hand and let them call.

I don't know about your hand Isura, but I'm assuming the guy sucked out on you. Most of the time these guys are so busy trying to hit their draw and get you to fold representing AA that they never bother to consider you have AA yourself

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That is nothing like this hand, I wish that you would stop posting worthless crap.

Isura your line looks pretty standard, I like how you played it.

Re: AA - very basic
 

If I'm calling a river push, should I just push myself? He has about $40 left on the river.

Re: AA - very basic
 

I prefer 20 on the turn, but 16 is good. River I'd just set him in for a potsized bet.

Re: AA - very basic
 

I wish you'd go to the kitchen and eat a chocolate chip cookie, than you can follow it with a nice warm glass of SHUT THE HELL UP!

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I would answer the question, but according to Deaders I'm not allowed to...

God I wish we could play heads up, that would be beautiful. I'd be in a no lose situation, if I lose well hey I'm suppose to Deaders is "the better player" if I win I wonder what he'd say than?

please, please, please God make that happen

Re: AA - very basic
 

looks good to me. I think i might bet 10 more on the river....anything that calls that turn checkraise is probably calling 30 on the river too. If he hit a runner runner flush, that just sucks.

Re: AA - very basic
 

I don't think I've ever made a checkraise like this. villain is pretty LAGish I guess? can someone elaborate on this?

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I don't think I've ever made a checkraise like this. villain is pretty LAGish I guess? can someone elaborate on this?

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I've actually started doing this quite a bit lately with fantastic results. First I hate getting bet at when i've whiffed the flop and my continuation bet was called. Now when I check the turn, I get a lot more check behinds since i've been checkraising the turn. Also, it's just a good way to get money in.

If they called your flop bet, they probably have a hand...fairly safe that if you check the turn, they'll think you missed. What is even more astounding, is that I don't think I've gotten one fold to my turn checkraise, and I've been called with some quite ridiculous holdings. They just cannot fold to checkraises on the turn....great way to get money in and probably very underused.

Re: AA - very basic
 

those are really good points. I don't think I'll try to use it at my 25nl tables, though. can't wait to move up. (although in some ways I definately can...)

Re: AA - very basic
 

He is against a calling station. Against calling stations get as much in as you can on every street.

Re: AA - very basic
 

What's the reasoning for check/raising the turn? I feel like it should be attempted maybe 15% of the time, to mix up play. If you don't think he has anything after the flop, do you anticipate him calling the checkraise?

I would bet 30 on the river, after he called the raise I think...

Re: AA - very basic
 

I think I raise more preflop, pot the flop, pot the turn, push the river.

Re: AA - very basic
 

Isura, if you are going to call a push on the river, you pretty much always want to be the one to get the money in there first. This is more true earlier in the hand, but you still have "some" folding equity by pushing the river.

The only time I can think of when I'd rather check is against a LAG with the nuts. I might not want to take LAG's opportunity to pull off what he thinks is a steal attempt

Re: AA - very basic
 

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Isura, if you are going to call a push on the river, you pretty much always want to be the one to get the money in there first. This is more true earlier in the hand, but you still have "some" folding equity by pushing the river.


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not true at all, specially not in this case

Re: AA - very basic
 

Without even seeing the results, we know that Villian folded and Hero won this pot.

This tells us Hero had the best hand the whole time. I think Hero played it well no argument from me. But I like a push here as opposed to checking and calling a push.

Re: AA - very basic
 

Even the first time I responded to this post it was the same strategy,

Put your money into the pot and let them call

Re: AA - very basic
 

I don't see why you'd want to push on the river. You want him to call you, and putting in $20 is going to get that a lot more often. If he reraises you, then I don't see how you're passing here. You have top set, there isn't much that's ahead of you here with that betting.

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I like a push here as opposed to checking and calling a push.

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A push is going to be a pot-sized bet, here. Imagine the range of hands that villain could have at this point:

1. Flush -- that's not folding to any bet.
2. Straight -- again, probably not going anywhere.
3. Lower set -- that isn't likely to fold.
4. Two pair -- at this point, you might fold someone with a big bet, but get them to come along with a smaller bet.
5. Single pair -- probably going to fold to any bet.

The rule about river betting is that you'd like to either get calls from weaker hands or get folds from stronger hands. An all-in bet on the river would be large enough that it's going to fold many of the weaker hands, and it's going to be called by all the stronger hands. On the other hand, a tamer bet is more likely to get called by the weaker hands, and isn't likely to get raised by the bigger hands. So, you win more often when you're ahead (though not as much money) and you lose less money when you're behind.

The real question as to whether pushing is better than the $20 raise depends on the relative probabilities of (1) your opponent's hand beating you and (2) your opponent folding a weaker hand. I'd say that an argument could be made for pushing or for the $20 bet, and frankly, I'd like to hear them both.

Re: AA - very basic
 

I just love this approach.