T-9 s: tough desicion when flush hits
 

I know the call on the turn must look terrible, and it probably is. Still, i had reasons: first, if villain had hit a higher flush, i didn't want to put more money in. second, if he hadn't hit, my call would almost certainly induce a bluff on the river. the bad part was, of course, that i would still be in a guessing game...
Villain seemed to be rather aggressive, but not a complete maniac. I had put him on top pair, but couldn't be sure about the queens full on the river...

What do you think?

(Will tell you what I did later on ;-))


Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t25/t50
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1380
UTG+1: t490
MP1: t1305
MP2: t2580
MP3: t1315
CO: t2340
Hero: t1415
SB: t1660
BB: t1015

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, MP1 calls t50 <font color="#aaaaaa">(pot was t75)</font>, 2 folds, CO calls t50 <font color="#aaaaaa">(pot was t125)</font>, Hero calls t50 <font color="#aaaaaa">(pot was t175)</font>, SB calls t25 <font color="#aaaaaa">(pot was t225)</font>, BB checks.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t250, 5 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets t200</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls t200 <font color="#aaaaaa">(pot was t450)</font>.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t650, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets t400</font>, Hero calls t400 <font color="#aaaaaa">(pot was t1050)</font>.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t1450, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB is all-in t1010</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero </font><font color="red"> ??? </font> .

Re: T-9 s: tough desicion when flush hits
 

eeeh what? Easy call.

And yes, gotta push on the turn.

Re: T-9 s: tough desicion when flush hits
 

Result oriented thinking. Easy call. I play it exactly the same. By hte way if he had 2 pair or a set before you cant push him from the hand.

Re: T-9 s: tough desicion when flush hits
 

Fold preflop. If you are gonna play and you hit that flop you should probably should push the flop with a pair a gutshot and a flush draw. Since you didnt do that push the turn but since you didnt do that either call the river.

Re: T-9 s: tough desicion when flush hits
 

There are too many other hands he could have. Easy call.

Re: T-9 s: tough desicion when flush hits
 

Raise flop. Raise turn.

Re: T-9 s: tough desicion when flush hits
 

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you should probably should push the flop with a pair a gutshot and a flush draw.

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Seriously. What more do you want from a flop with T9s, short of flopping the stone nuts.

Re: T-9 s: tough desicion when flush hits
 

Fold preflop. Calling is ok in the first level at a Stars SNG I suppose. I never call this at Party due to the shallow stacks. Push that flop aswell. If you call the flop, the turn bricks and villain bets pot at you you're forced to fold which sucks. Get it all-in there on the flop while you have the best of it.

Re: T-9 s: tough desicion when flush hits
 

Folding preflop was an option, but I saw loads of players going loose-passive postflop, so I expected good enough odds. The turn raise, as mentioned, would have probably been better. Still, pushing on the flop in this level, with at least three maniacs around the table - not really, for me.

Anyway, i called and he had trip queens (as expected). You're right, it was an easy call actually, but considering my tourney play I hate to risk too much at that stage... I usually prefer to let the maniacs get it on and only play premium hands and very make safe calls on the early levels. maybe too passive...

Re: T-9 s: tough desicion when flush hits
 

Raise flop, raise turn as everyone said. You're a favorite vs the top pair on the flop, use that.

I don't understand your logic for not pushing the turn.

Re: T-9 s: tough desicion when flush hits
 

ya if your going to play hands like these you should get to know your percentages, and that you were up 60/40 against AQ/KQ and coin flipping against QJ.

if you had reraised on the flop and he flat calls, hes most likely going to check the turn card so if you dont hit you get a free river. If he pushes, you call, if he folds, nh

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I know the call on the turn must look terrible, and it probably is. Still, i had reasons: first, if villain had hit a higher flush, i didn't want to put more money in.

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So if a 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] hits on the river and he shoves, you plan to fold?

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I know the call on the turn must look terrible, and it probably is. Still, i had reasons: first, if villain had hit a higher flush, i didn't want to put more money in.

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So if a 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] hits on the river and he shoves, you plan to fold?

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Your right, I didn't quite hit the point. The thing is that if another club hits, I would consider folding. If he already has a higher flush, I'm done with, since I would call the river anyway. But considering I put him on top pair , the main reason for just calling was that he would almost certainly bet the river, no matter what card falls. Since I was rather sure I had the nuts on the turn, and I will call or raise the river anyway (if no club hits), I wanted to give him the chance to but in some chips rather than fold the turn or check/fold the river...

Is that completely wrong?