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Step #1
Place an oil lobbyist as the chief of staff for the White House Council on Environmental Quality. Have him edit the work of scientists. Anything regarding climate change must be heavily edited.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4075986.stm

Step #2
Suppress the voice of scientists - Hansen, who heads NASA's Goddard Institute, is highly respected by just about EVERY SCIENTIST ON THE PLANET.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1415985.shtml

Step #3
"Eliminat[e] virtually all scientific research funded by NASA" <--- Quote from Congressman John Culberson, cosigned by many Senators and congressmen.
http://www.space.com/media/pdf/culberson_letter.pdf

Step #4
Remove the part in bold from NASA's motto “To understand and protect our home planet; to explore the universe and search for life; to inspire the next generation of explorers ... as only NASA can.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/22/scienc...nyt&emc=rss


FYI: I left out a lot of steps to keep this simple for the "plain" folk.

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1. I guess the BBC enjoys parsing words as much as Clinton. Lets see the entire papers before and after and see if anything meaning was distorted.

2. If Hansen is being inappropriately censored, he should quit, not whine about it.

3. This has no mention of anything having to do with what appears to be your theme that there is a conspiracy afoot to bury evidence of global warming.

4. So a phrase that was added in a Bush administration was deleted in a Bush administration, so what?

5. WTF does any of this have to do with communism?

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5. WTF does any of this have to do with communism?

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People associate Stalin USSR and today's China with being marxist communist.

So substitute Communist with Totalitarian, and that's what he was trying to get at.

And no, although I do think that presidential power is increasing, although it's not nearly at the level it was before the early 1970s.

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1. I guess the BBC enjoys parsing words as much as Clinton. Lets see the entire papers before and after and see if anything meaning was distorted.


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Well here is one part:
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/xCooney.htm

BTW, he did resign after this story broke. Still who the hell hires an oil lobbyist as chairman of the whitehouse Environmental council?

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2. If Hansen is being inappropriately censored, he should quit, not whine about it.

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What about every other scientist? Maybe you missed the 9,500+ long petition.

http://www.ucsusa.org/scientific_int...statement.html

When scientific knowledge has been found to be in conflict with its political goals, the administration has often manipulated the process through which science enters into its decisions. This has been done by placing people who are professionally unqualified or who have clear conflicts of interest in official posts and on scientific advisory committees; by disbanding existing advisory committees; by censoring and suppressing reports by the government’s own scientists; and by simply not seeking independent scientific advice. Other administrations have, on occasion, engaged in such practices, but not so systematically nor on so wide a front.

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3. This has no mention of anything having to do with what appears to be your theme that there is a conspiracy afoot to bury evidence of global warming.

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Do I really have to explain this one to you? What part of "Eliminat[e] virtually all scientific research funded by NASA" do you not understand?

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4. So a phrase that was added in a Bush administration was deleted in a Bush administration, so what?

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Ya, lots of mottos, signs, scientific research, and even websites are changed in China. It's no big deal.

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lol

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Btw, Rick Piltz and many others have resigned. Watch the video here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1415985.shtml

It even talks about their edits.

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Sometimes I thimk it is getting close. My dad always says that Nikita Khruschev (former Soviet Premier) was a prophet. Evidently he predicted that USA Americans would one day live under Communism. My Dad likes to point out that he never said it would be CALLED Communism, just that we would live under it.

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Sometimes I thimk it is getting close. My dad always says that Nikita Khruschev (former Soviet Premier) was a prophet. Evidently he predicted that USA Americans would one day live under Communism. My Dad likes to point out that he never said it would be CALLED Communism, just that we would live under it.

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Of course my Dad thought he saw Elvis at the store last week, too. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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Sometimes I thimk it is getting close. My dad always says that Nikita Khruschev (former Soviet Premier) was a prophet. Evidently he predicted that USA Americans would one day live under Communism. My Dad likes to point out that he never said it would be CALLED Communism, just that we would live under it.

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Of course my Dad thought he saw Elvis at the store last week, too. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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And Kennedy. He saw Kennedy! He might have meant Bill Kennedy the mailman though.

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I hope you were respectful and didnt correct him, even though only capitalists believe in prophets.

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WTF does any of this have to do with communism?

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Yeah really. You're thinking of fascism silly!

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WTF? This is about 1 agency (NASA) and 1 topic (Global Warming). Multiply this by every other agency and topic the right-wingnut wack-job neocon idiot sheep have got put in charge of or have messed with.

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Yup, have a feeling USA is turning into China, when everyone was expecting the opposite. communism is about control.
- denying your adulthood regarding gambling
- recording your phone calls, emails,
- spying over press and jounalists,
- even revealing those who gave their life to the country but still dare to ask (chaney-libby),
- constantly calling attention about being in a war and that enemy is everywhere, hiding and just waiting for his opportunity to attack...
- putting people in prison without accusation, refusing them any contacts, lawyers, denying any visit of human rights activists, red cross,...

where is all this leading?

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Yup, have a feeling USA is turning into China, when everyone was expecting the opposite. communism is about control.
- denying your adulthood regarding gambling <font color="red"> no "turning into here", prohibition and other "victimless crimes"</font>
- recording your phone calls, emails, <font color="red">never happened, isnt happening </font>
- spying over press and jounalists, <font color="red"> never happened, isnt happening </font>
- even revealing those who gave their life to the country but still dare to ask (chaney-libby), <font color="red"> her lying husband and herself revealed her role at the CIA long before Novak did, at parties no less </font>
- constantly calling attention about being in a war and that enemy is everywhere, hiding and just waiting for his opportunity to attack... <font color="red"> huh? </font>
- putting people in prison without accusation, refusing them any contacts, lawyers, denying any visit of human rights activists, red cross,... <font color="red"> the red cross hasnt been denied access to anyone, and has onsite observers at all prisons, not finding any violations of human rights. we'll just debunk the big one in a list of lies </font>

where is all this leading? <font color="red">good question...where does it lead when so many people in a democracy dont think for themselves enough to distinguish between progoganda and truth </font>

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"Eliminat[e] virtually all scientific research funded by NASA"

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Seems like it's getting less communistic to me.

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Yup, have a feeling USA is turning into China, when everyone was expecting the opposite. communism is about control.
- denying your adulthood regarding gambling <font color="red"> no "turning into here", prohibition and other "victimless crimes"</font>
- recording your phone calls, emails, <font color="red">never happened, isnt happening </font>
- spying over press and jounalists, <font color="red"> never happened, isnt happening </font>
- even revealing those who gave their life to the country but still dare to ask (chaney-libby), <font color="red"> her lying husband and herself revealed her role at the CIA long before Novak did, at parties no less </font>
- constantly calling attention about being in a war and that enemy is everywhere, hiding and just waiting for his opportunity to attack... <font color="red"> huh? </font>
- putting people in prison without accusation, refusing them any contacts, lawyers, denying any visit of human rights activists, red cross,... <font color="red"> the red cross hasnt been denied access to anyone, and has onsite observers at all prisons, not finding any violations of human rights. we'll just debunk the big one in a list of lies </font>

where is all this leading? <font color="red">good question...where does it lead when so many people in a democracy dont think for themselves enough to distinguish between progoganda and truth </font>

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[img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] i see nothing, i hear nothing... good for you. model citizen one might say.

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Yup, have a feeling USA is turning into China, when everyone was expecting the opposite. communism is about control.
- denying your adulthood regarding gambling <font color="red"> no "turning into here", prohibition and other "victimless crimes"</font>
- recording your phone calls, emails, <font color="red">never happened, isnt happening </font>
- spying over press and jounalists, <font color="red"> never happened, isnt happening </font>
- even revealing those who gave their life to the country but still dare to ask (chaney-libby), <font color="red"> her lying husband and herself revealed her role at the CIA long before Novak did, at parties no less </font>
- constantly calling attention about being in a war and that enemy is everywhere, hiding and just waiting for his opportunity to attack... <font color="red"> huh? </font>
- putting people in prison without accusation, refusing them any contacts, lawyers, denying any visit of human rights activists, red cross,... <font color="red"> the red cross hasnt been denied access to anyone, and has onsite observers at all prisons, not finding any violations of human rights. we'll just debunk the big one in a list of lies </font>

where is all this leading? <font color="red">good question...where does it lead when so many people in a democracy dont think for themselves enough to distinguish between progoganda and truth </font>

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[img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] i see nothing, i hear nothing... good for you. model citizen one might say.

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boracay,

Wow awesome response, you totally owned him dude!

Copernicus,

If you search the forums far enough back, you'll see that I issued challenge for anyone to tell me how the how the Partriot Act limited their freedoms or curtailed our civil rights. As you can imagine, I have yet to have someone make the case.

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Yup, have a feeling USA is turning into China, when everyone was expecting the opposite. communism is about control.
- denying your adulthood regarding gambling <font color="red"> no "turning into here", prohibition and other "victimless crimes"</font>
- recording your phone calls, emails, <font color="red">never happened, isnt happening </font>
- spying over press and jounalists, <font color="red"> never happened, isnt happening </font>
- even revealing those who gave their life to the country but still dare to ask (chaney-libby), <font color="red"> her lying husband and herself revealed her role at the CIA long before Novak did, at parties no less </font>
- constantly calling attention about being in a war and that enemy is everywhere, hiding and just waiting for his opportunity to attack... <font color="red"> huh? </font>
- putting people in prison without accusation, refusing them any contacts, lawyers, denying any visit of human rights activists, red cross,... <font color="red"> the red cross hasnt been denied access to anyone, and has onsite observers at all prisons, not finding any violations of human rights. we'll just debunk the big one in a list of lies </font>

where is all this leading? <font color="red">good question...where does it lead when so many people in a democracy dont think for themselves enough to distinguish between progoganda and truth </font>

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[img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] i see nothing, i hear nothing... good for you. model citizen one might say.

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boracay,

Wow awesome response, you totally owned him dude!

Copernicus,

If you search the forums far enough back, you'll see that I issued challenge for anyone to tell me how the how the Partriot Act limited their freedoms or curtailed our civil rights. As you can imagine, I have yet to have someone make the case.

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Ive done the same...to the same deafening silence.

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A good bumper sticker here:

http://www.cafepress.com/irregulargoods.14385170

[img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

EDIT: BTW, wacki, as you know we've dealt with the climate change issue many times here. You've even constructed a very nice website about it:

http://www.logicalscience.com/

Sadly, though, in all that time, I don't think I've seen any of this forum's so called "skeptics" (so called because scientists, rather than the global warming dismissers, are the strongest skeptics of all) change their view. I don't know what it will take. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Many Americans are too goddamn stupid to realise that if it's in the Bible, it ain't science.

Re: Has the US gone communist yet? It\'s hard to tell.
 

not communist more of a dictatorship

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Yup, have a feeling USA is turning into China, when everyone was expecting the opposite. communism is about control.
- denying your adulthood regarding gambling <font color="red"> no "turning into here", prohibition and other "victimless crimes"</font>
- recording your phone calls, emails, <font color="red">never happened, isnt happening </font>
- spying over press and jounalists, <font color="red"> never happened, isnt happening </font>
- even revealing those who gave their life to the country but still dare to ask (chaney-libby), <font color="red"> her lying husband and herself revealed her role at the CIA long before Novak did, at parties no less </font>
- constantly calling attention about being in a war and that enemy is everywhere, hiding and just waiting for his opportunity to attack... <font color="red"> huh? </font>
- putting people in prison without accusation, refusing them any contacts, lawyers, denying any visit of human rights activists, red cross,... <font color="red"> the red cross hasnt been denied access to anyone, and has onsite observers at all prisons, not finding any violations of human rights. we'll just debunk the big one in a list of lies </font>

where is all this leading? <font color="red">good question...where does it lead when so many people in a democracy dont think for themselves enough to distinguish between progoganda and truth </font>

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[img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] i see nothing, i hear nothing... good for you. model citizen one might say.

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boracay,

Wow awesome response, you totally owned him dude!

Copernicus,

If you search the forums far enough back, you'll see that I issued challenge for anyone to tell me how the how the Partriot Act limited their freedoms or curtailed our civil rights. As you can imagine, I have yet to have someone make the case.

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Ive done the same...to the same deafening silence.

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you might google around all those <font color="red">never happened, isnt happening </font>.

and google about patriot act too. under that legislation, your goverment can:
1. search your home and not even tell you
2. collect info about what books you read, what you study, your purchases and your medical history (=spying; no more confidential coversations with your doctor, lawyer or priest)
3. seize a wide variety of business and financial records
4. read your emails and look what sites you are visiting online.

but i guess you're right, partriot act did not limit your freedoms or curtailed your civil rights.

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Yup, have a feeling USA is turning into China, when everyone was expecting the opposite. communism is about control.
- denying your adulthood regarding gambling <font color="red"> no "turning into here", prohibition and other "victimless crimes"</font>
- recording your phone calls, emails, <font color="red">never happened, isnt happening </font>
- spying over press and jounalists, <font color="red"> never happened, isnt happening </font>
- even revealing those who gave their life to the country but still dare to ask (chaney-libby), <font color="red"> her lying husband and herself revealed her role at the CIA long before Novak did, at parties no less </font>
- constantly calling attention about being in a war and that enemy is everywhere, hiding and just waiting for his opportunity to attack... <font color="red"> huh? </font>
- putting people in prison without accusation, refusing them any contacts, lawyers, denying any visit of human rights activists, red cross,... <font color="red"> the red cross hasnt been denied access to anyone, and has onsite observers at all prisons, not finding any violations of human rights. we'll just debunk the big one in a list of lies </font>

where is all this leading? <font color="red">good question...where does it lead when so many people in a democracy dont think for themselves enough to distinguish between progoganda and truth </font>

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[img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] i see nothing, i hear nothing... good for you. model citizen one might say.

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boracay,

Wow awesome response, you totally owned him dude!

Copernicus,

If you search the forums far enough back, you'll see that I issued challenge for anyone to tell me how the how the Partriot Act limited their freedoms or curtailed our civil rights. As you can imagine, I have yet to have someone make the case.

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Ive done the same...to the same deafening silence.

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OMG.....ROFL
What are you trying to justify to yourselves? Ignorance is bliss I guess. LOL. I'm not a good debater by any means, but anyone who doesn't think "democracy" is this country isn't in jeapordy, is blinded by some need to justify your beliefs in your own twisted, personal, political agenda.

Somebody has Rush Limbaughitis

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OMG.....ROFL
What are you trying to justify to yourselves? Ignorance is bliss I guess. LOL. I'm not a good debater by any means, but anyone who doesn't think "democracy" is this country isn't in jeapordy, is blinded by some need to justify your beliefs in your own twisted, personal, political agenda.


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Then why don't you inform us to as how democracy is in trouble?

For extra credit, why is democracy such a good idea?

Re: Has the US gone communist yet? It\'s hard to tell.
 

i heard the theory once that political systems (democracy, communism, monarchy, etc) are sort of in a circle and that if you go far enough to the left it'll end up as a far-right system, and vice versa. for example extreme communism (left) and totalitarianism (right) have had a lot of similarities in history. i think the usa right now is shifting more to the right than the left but we're not communist/fascist just yet. you can have a corrupt administration without a full-scale political shift though.

bbb

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My dad always says that Nikita Khruschev (former Soviet Premier) was a prophet.

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awesome

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Maybe I'm one of these simple folks but I don't see how this reflects a movement towards adopting communism in the U.S.

Communism

Communism is a political ideology that seeks to establish a future classless, stateless social organization based upon common ownership of the means of production and the absence of private property. It can be classified as a branch of the broader socialist movement. Communism also refers to a variety of political movements which claim the establishment of such a social organization as their ultimate goal.

Your implication to me is that the current administration is promoting the business of oil companies to the detriment of its citizenry. If I'm right about what your claiming then this IMO this doesn't add up to a move toward communism.

I one could argue that the recent Kelo decision is a move in the direction of communism:

Kelo v. City of New London

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"Eliminat[e] virtually all scientific research funded by NASA"

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Seems like it's getting less communistic to me.

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That would be my take as well. If we're discussing whether or not the U.S. is moving more in the direction of Communism then I think the passage you cited would dispell that notion not support it. I supect though that this isn't a thread about whether or not the U.S. is moving towards a communist state.

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Step #1
Place an oil lobbyist as the chief of staff for the White House Council on Environmental Quality. Have him edit the work of scientists. Anything regarding climate change must be heavily edited.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4075986.stm

Step #2
Suppress the voice of scientists - Hansen, who heads NASA's Goddard Institute, is highly respected by just about EVERY SCIENTIST ON THE PLANET.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1415985.shtml

Step #3
"Eliminat[e] virtually all scientific research funded by NASA" &lt;--- Quote from Congressman John Culberson, cosigned by many Senators and congressmen.
http://www.space.com/media/pdf/culberson_letter.pdf

Step #4
Remove the part in bold from NASA's motto “To understand and protect our home planet; to explore the universe and search for life; to inspire the next generation of explorers ... as only NASA can.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/22/scienc...nyt&amp;emc=rss


FYI: I left out a lot of steps to keep this simple for the "plain" folk.

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Are you ready to join anarcho-capitalism yet?

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Step #1
Place an oil lobbyist as the chief of staff for the White House Council on Environmental Quality. Have him edit the work of scientists. Anything regarding climate change must be heavily edited.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4075986.stm

Step #2
Suppress the voice of scientists - Hansen, who heads NASA's Goddard Institute, is highly respected by just about EVERY SCIENTIST ON THE PLANET.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1415985.shtml

Step #3
"Eliminat[e] virtually all scientific research funded by NASA" &lt;--- Quote from Congressman John Culberson, cosigned by many Senators and congressmen.
http://www.space.com/media/pdf/culberson_letter.pdf

Step #4
Remove the part in bold from NASA's motto “To understand and protect our home planet; to explore the universe and search for life; to inspire the next generation of explorers ... as only NASA can.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/22/scienc...nyt&amp;emc=rss


FYI: I left out a lot of steps to keep this simple for the "plain" folk.

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Hey, he got exactly what he wanted, government involvement. What's he complaining about?

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Your implication to me is that the current administration is promoting the business of oil companies to the detriment of its citizenry. If I'm right about what your claiming then this IMO this doesn't add up to a move toward communism.

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I agree communism isn't the best choice of words. I should of used totalitarian. However, I hope you can see the similarities between this behavior and China's behavior. China is well known for sensoring the internet and jailing people who say things it doesn't like. China is also known for erasing events from textbooks like the Tiananmen massacre. Is that clear enough adios? If now what word do you think I should of used?

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Hey, he got exactly what he wanted, government involvement. What's he complaining about?

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Far from it. Big oil has made just about ZERO contributions to solar power, fission, and many other forms of alternative energy. If it wasn't obvious to you before, unrestrained private enterprise is the root of the problems here. Ironically, if the US keeps dragging it's feet thanks to big oil, communist China or a concerted EU effort might be the ones that will solve the CO2 problem. The EU already does far more than big oil on alternative energy and they worked very well together when building CERN. China already outpaces the US in physics PH.D's. So the two biggest governments of them all will be our saviors. If you couldn't tell already:

Exxon is worthless
http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...est-usat_x.htm

Big oil is the source of the conspiracy
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/GlobalWarm...428&amp;page=1

and no oil company exists on this list.
http://www.logicalscience.com/technology/

So preach your blind religion elsewhere. Holy crap why do I even respond? I hope mason deletes this forum since it's filled with political bible thumpers.

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I hope mason deletes this forum since it's filled with political bible thumpers.

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Like yourself?

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Like yourself?

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The adjective "bible thumper" was in reference to those that won't accept the facts, no matter how strong the evidence is to the contrary. I have several hundred links on my site http://www.logicalscience.com/ and the worlds leading scientists and even economists supporting my point of view. You have some Austrian hack that very few respect.

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Your implication to me is that the current administration is promoting the business of oil companies to the detriment of its citizenry. If I'm right about what your claiming then this IMO this doesn't add up to a move toward communism.

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I agree communism isn't the best choice of words. I should of used totalitarian. However, I hope you can see the similarities between this behavior and China's behavior. China is well known for sensoring the internet and jailing people who say things it doesn't like. China is also known for erasing events from textbooks like the Tiananmen massacre. Is that clear enough adios? If now what word do you think I should of used?

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I actually think you're leaning more towards a label of being facist. Sorry I don't want to start any kind of logical debate without at least starting on logical ground. Not saying I always start there but I try to.

Note that facist and communist regimes can both be totalitarian.

Totalitarianism

The reason I think you're implying facism:

Facism

Note the word "corporitism."

Corporatism

The implication that oil companies are wielding undue and unwarranted influence and power within the U.S. government seems to fit there with facism to me.

Revisionist history and such are in the realm of totalitarian governments. I don't think that the current administration is even close to that point btw.

Maybe I'm splitting hairs but I think alot of times miscommunication develops on these forums because people assume what the other person means and those assumptions are often erroneous.

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The adjective "bible thumper" was in reference to those that won't accept the facts, no matter how strong the evidence is to the contrary. I have several hundred links on my site http://www.logicalscience.com/ and the worlds leading scientists and even economists supporting my point of view.

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You talk about facts, but you lead with "look at how many people agree with me!"

Your mantra-chant/post ratio is probably higher than anyone else in this forum. You throw the same old tired turd into the fray, then proclaim that you're "done with this thread" or "done posting for today". Of course, you're above discussion, and anyone that disagrees with you is inherently wrong.

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You have some Austrian hack that very few respect.

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I haven't claimed any position on climate change. You blindly assume that anyone who opposes your methods must also oppose your findings.

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Big oil has made just about ZERO contributions to solar power, fission, and many other forms of alternative energy. If it wasn't obvious to you before, unrestrained private enterprise is the root of the problems here.

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Why aren't there unrestrained, private enterprises making contributions to solar power, fission, and other forms of alternative energy?

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adios you are right. you make good points, and thankyou for correcting me. Although this comment of yours:

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The implication that oil companies are wielding undue and unwarranted influence and power within the U.S. government seems to fit there with facism to me.

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Seems to indicate that you aren't fully convinced yet. Do you need more proof?

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Big oil has made just about ZERO contributions to solar power, fission, and many other forms of alternative energy. If it wasn't obvious to you before, unrestrained private enterprise is the root of the problems here.

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Why aren't there unrestrained, private enterprises making contributions to solar power, fission, and other forms of alternative energy?

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Exxon Mobil Posts Record Profits
http://www.forbes.com/markets/2005/0...131video2.html

Shell reports record UK profits
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4672716.stm


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Exxon Mobil Profit Surges but Gas, Oil Output Drops
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163935,00.html
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Why should they? I couldn't think of a better way to protect your cash cow than the multibillion dollar entrance fee of an oil platform and the multibillion dollar refineries. Developing solar panels would be suicide because it allows competition due to low cost of entry.

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You have some Austrian hack that very few respect.

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I haven't claimed any position on climate change.

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Um..... the austrian hack was in reference to anarchocapitalism.


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Your mantra-chant/post ratio is probably higher than anyone else in this forum.

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Hey, I have the record for links, experts and sources too. I am not ashamed.

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You talk about facts, but you lead with "look at how many people agree with me!"

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That's an unfair mischaracterization. If anything, Wacki's leading with "look how many experts agree with me."
There's a huge difference between that and what you are suggesting he's saying.