Basic Hand: Marginal FD OOP
 

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Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $24.40
CO: $35.19
Button: $56.80
Grunch: $26.65
BB: $20.86

Pre-flop: (5 players) Grunch is SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, CO calls, Button calls, Grunch calls, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Grunch bets $1.2</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, CO calls, Button folds.

Turn: ($4.85) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Grunch ... ?

Re: Basic Hand: Marginal FD OOP
 

Bets $3.

All this is really intended to do is to set a price that we are willing to call, which is also high enough to ensure that we do not look weak, and won't be bluff-raised.

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Bets $3.

All this is really intended to do is to set a price that we are willing to call, which is also high enough to ensure that we do not look weak, and won't be bluff-raised.

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Block that Turn!

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I would continue betting here as you probably have gained more outs.

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I don't lead this flop

but as played, I like bilbo's idea of betting 3

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I don't lead this flop

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What is your plan?

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I don't lead this flop

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What is your plan?

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Play a small pot and see what the action brings. I rarely lead non nut FDs OOP at this level.

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The only options I see on the flop are lead or c/f, both of which are fine. edit: Actually, I really really prefer c/f here, that's a lot of opponents.

As played, I lead the turn for $3.5.

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I'd rather lead HU than 5way, we dont take it down often enough on teh flop.

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i lead $3.5 here

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grunch,

5way, we just don't have enough FE IMO, especially OOP and acting 1st.

I normally c/c if i get odds which i normally do

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I don't lead this flop

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What is your plan?

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Play a small pot and see what the action brings. I rarely lead non nut FDs OOP at this level.

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I would rather lead non-nut FDs than nut FDs.

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I don't lead this flop

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What is your plan?

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Play a small pot and see what the action brings. I rarely lead non nut FDs OOP at this level.

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I would rather lead non-nut FDs than nut FDs.

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I'd lead neither OOP in a limped pot.

But if I was to lead any of them, it would be the NFD due to extra outs

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grunch,

5way, we just don't have enough FE IMO, especially OOP and acting 1st.

I normally c/c if i get odds which i normally do

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You have to get some pretty sick odds. Your draw is obvious and very difficult to extract with OOP, yet when a bigger flush hits it's very hard to find out at all quickly.

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grunch,

5way, we just don't have enough FE IMO, especially OOP and acting 1st.

I normally c/c if i get odds which i normally do

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The pot is tiny.

All this lead really is for is to set up stacking an opponent on a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] turn. For example, it would be awesome to hit the A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] vs. an opponent that holds A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Or any spade vs. the A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

Etc...

By leading, we disguise our hand, and we have great implied odds for hitting the flush on the turn. If we c/c here, our hand is very transparent.

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Another reason (besides # of opponents) that I can think of why betting out on the flop is bad is because of the K and Q on board... makes it more likely that we will be raised.

I also like a 3$ or so blocking bet on the turn.

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Another reason (besides # of opponents) that I can think of why betting out on the flop is bad is because of the K and Q on board... makes it more likely that we will be raised.

I also like a 3$ or so blocking bet on the turn.

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I rarely see a lot of raising in limped pots at this level. And a set is very unlikely on this board due to pre-flop action.

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I don't lead this flop

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What is your plan?

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Play a small pot and see what the action brings. I rarely lead non nut FDs OOP at this level.

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I would rather lead non-nut FDs than nut FDs.

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I'd lead neither OOP in a limped pot.

But if I was to lead any of them, it would be the NFD due to extra outs

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Let me elaborate: with the NFD, I am more likely to c/r than to lead.

The non-nut draw has a lot less value, and I'm a lot less disappointed if I get raised so much that I cannot continue.

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check flop, only call a bet if u have at least 3.5 to 1. your draw is pretty weak, your position sucks so if u hit your hand ur going to have to show strength to extract which makes it obvious, therefor ur implied odds suck.

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I don't lead this flop

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Yeah, with a K and Q on this flop, it hits a lot of limpers' ranges, so I think total fold equity is pretty slim.

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bilbo,

leading doesn't disuise our hand nearly as much as you think it does. All it does is cuts down on our implied odds. And we certainly don't stack come1 on a spade turn unless he has a set

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Flop is whatever.

Turn I lead. Makes river very easy to play.