NL200 6 Max Someone Plese Put Him on a Hand
 

At work so no HH, sorry. I can not put him on a hand, but am I beating anything other than a bluff on this river, and is it a bluff often enough? Any better line for this hand?

Villain is a TAG 22/13/3.5 we have not really been involved with each other, other than 3 betting each other preflop. Have not really seen too much from him, maybe a bit more aggro than the usual TAG.
He has $350 in MP, I cover on the SB.
UTG calls, Villain calls, MP calls, Button folds, Hero raises to $12 with Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], BB folds, UTG calls, Villain calls, MP folds.

Flop ~$40 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Hero bets $40, only Villain calls
Turn ~$120 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Hero bets $75, Villain calls
River ~$270 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Hero checks, Villain bets $107.49, Hero…..?

Re: NL200 6 Max Someone Plese Put Him on a Hand
 

Hearts?

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Is it that easy? This guy is a TAG, am I wrong to think that I priced him out of his draw twice? If this was some donkey, I would have dropped it without a second thought...

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What hands could he have that you beat? A10? JJ? I think he raises PF with JJ. I can't see him calling you with 99, etc. He could have a set but I think he would have done something on the turn especially with the draws. He could have some combo draw like A3h or JQh or AKh (probally raised pf).

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I have to admit that I really had a ton of trouble putting him on a hand here and the one that I thought was most likely at the time definitely had some really bad logic involved in it.

I thought that JJ was a definite possibilty, but a 23/12 TAG raises that there (I should know [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]). I also thought about combo draws, but I thought they would raise me on the flop.

So I am assuming this is an easy fold getting 3.5/1 right?

Also any other lines for this hand?

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i'm gonna go with T9 or a set

i dont think you're beating anything. JJ is unlikely and there's no missed draw he could be bluffing on the river

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Don't you think a set c/rs the turn since the board is very draw heavy especially from the villian who is said to be tag.

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AKh

have to be a really tight tag to fold here, plus he probably thought his overcards were good too (and they were), so it's not a terrible call, especially if you're going to pay off on the river..

I think sets don't bet the river here with all the draws coming in.

later
illmatic

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Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], TT or 88

One thing is certian, this river bet is not a bluff.

Re: NL200 6 Max Someone Plese Put Him on a Hand
 

no, villian is in position. I wouldnt worry about a draw given hero's probable hand range for raising out of the blinds

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So from what everyone has said, only an idiot would call this river... that is me!!! Sorry just needed to flame myself a little. I have always been too tight on the river, always putting people on hands that beat me, then lately, say in the last month, I started picking off some bluffs and I have done a total 180 and have started putting people on hands that I can beat.

Obviously I called and he had 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Clearly a bad call on my part, he did have odds to call the turn with 14 outs and was in good shape if I was paying him off if he hit.

Is this hand ok up until the river call... any other lines?

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Pot the turn. Maybe its results oriented, but I think you have to fire a stronger second bullet on this board. Yes, your pf raise makes you unlikely to be drawing so he might be calling as opposed to raising with a set, but given his limp, the overlay, and the board, I think his range is wide enough to include many of the hands you need to be charging.

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Why bother potting the turn? Villain has 180 left and the pot's 120. Doesn't make too much sense. I'd either want to price him in a little bit and milk the money, or shut him down and move in on that turn.

- C -

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DS, there are lots of players with TAG stats who are terrible. This is why you need reads that are more than just what pt tells you. You are giving this guy too much credit based on his stats.

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DS, there are lots of players with TAG stats who are terrible. This is why you need reads that are more than just what pt tells you. You are giving this guy too much credit based on his stats.

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Well, you may be right, but I don't see how you come to that conclusion on this hand. I think the villain played well on every street, especially if he knew he'd be paid off on the river if he hit.

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DS, there are lots of players with TAG stats who are terrible. This is why you need reads that are more than just what pt tells you. You are giving this guy too much credit based on his stats.

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Well, you may be right, but I don't see how you come to that conclusion on this hand. I think the villain played well on every street, especially if he knew he'd be paid off on the river if he hit.

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I'm not saying villain is bad. I'm saying the OP saying "He can't have this hand because he's a tag and took this line" is wrong.