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Hattifnatt 07-18-2006 10:24 AM

importance of position
 
I posted this a little while ago in MSNL, here, and now I give it a try here at SSNL, might be some intresting differences.

Lets see if this can become something.

I know position is very important at all times for a lot of reasons, regardless of game conditions. Sometimes I just have a tendency to not give it the weight it should, and for example play a marginal hand OOP that I shoulda been folding.

So lets try this:

Name ONE reason its better to act in position in a 6-max MSNL game than OOP.

I start:

Its much more likely that I take down the pot if both players miss the flop in a HU pot.

los_toros 07-18-2006 10:25 AM

Re: importance of position
 
It is easier to float a flop in position than OOP (duh). I can then act last on later streets and stealstealsteal.

Pokey 07-18-2006 10:26 AM

Re: importance of position
 
River decisions with a good-not-great hand are MUCH easier if you have position.

vulturesrow 07-18-2006 10:28 AM

Re: importance of position
 
More information to base decisions on.

matv 07-18-2006 10:29 AM

Re: importance of position
 
easier to control the pot size

munkey 07-18-2006 10:33 AM

Re: importance of position
 
can check behind for free card for draws

Ben Young 07-18-2006 10:45 AM

Re: importance of position
 
if it's heads up, I can close the action

fish43 07-18-2006 10:46 AM

Re: importance of position
 
stealing the blinds

folding mediocre hands like AJ preflop

4_2_it 07-18-2006 10:50 AM

Re: importance of position
 
Lessens the opportunities to make FTOP mistakes.

ThePortuguee 07-18-2006 10:54 AM

Re: importance of position
 
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easier to control the pot size

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I'm constantly saying this, but this is so important. Your ability to control the pot is what keeps money in front of you when you make strong second best hands, and what helps you inflate the pot with the best of it. The information you acquire by acting last can't possibly by overstated.

generally speaking, position is dramatically underrated at these stakes. A lot of players know it's important, basically because theyre told, and it's such a powerful concept that just having a vague idea of its importance can actually improve your game in a substantial way. You don't even need to REALLY get it, you just need to keep it in mind, and it helps.

The reasons why are what we're talking about, but the better you understand the power of a positional advantage, the better a play one becomes.

thedustbustr 07-18-2006 11:50 AM

Re: importance of position
 
[ QUOTE ]
River decisions with a good-not-great hand are MUCH easier if you have position.

[/ QUOTE ]
this is the Big One right here

Jamougha 07-18-2006 11:51 AM

Re: importance of position
 
One no-one's mentioned; you will much more often see 5 cards when behind on the flop.

subzero 07-18-2006 11:56 AM

Re: importance of position
 
it's easier to isolate a bad player when you have position on him

ThePortuguee 07-18-2006 02:19 PM

Re: importance of position
 
[ QUOTE ]
One no-one's mentioned; you will much more often see 5 cards when behind on the flop.

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This is huge, as well.

whiteladder81 07-18-2006 02:39 PM

Re: importance of position
 
Its where you are able to create your image so you can get paid off with big hands.

yad 07-18-2006 03:59 PM

Re: importance of position
 
In the HSNL version of this forum, a few people said something like:

"It is easier to threaten all of your opponents chips with out actually committing your own."

I think this is a big part of the importance of position. To say it a different way: your opponents suffer from reverse implied odds, while you do not. Say your opponent has KQ on a K-high flop. He bets out, you raise. Regardless of whether the flop is wet or dry or whatever, he's instantly in a horribly tough position. If he's got the best hand, all he's likely to win is the bet and raise you just made. OTOH, if he's got a worse hand, he's going to have to put in much more money to get to showdown or find out for sure he's beat.

Hattifnatt 07-19-2006 07:09 AM

Re: importance of position
 
Bump

orange 07-19-2006 04:11 PM

Re: importance of position
 
Able to play draws easier when in position, as you can usually dictate the action (whether or not to raise flop/bet turns/etc).


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