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we keep Lee,Zambrano,Barrett and Cedeno, everyone else is expendable.

the argument that we havent had a SS since Dunston is crap,as is the same with a 3rd baseman. who cares if we havent had a solid player in a certain position, the only solid position we've ever had was Sandberg at 2nd. We havent won in decades, almost a century, so you dont keep someone around just because we havent had somethin in awhile. This is why we continue to lose, because of thinking like this, we are never continuously tryin to improve.

Murton has a drawback, his power isn't really worth anything and his arm is about as strong as a 2nd basemans.

So what do we do? Listen to all offers, take what we can get cuz we're not goin anywhere this year or next. Re-build but do it right, dont half ass it like we have been for decades. Dusty Baker also should be replaced, maybe Bob Brenly or Lou Piniella. They both have WS rings. Fine players for not hustling, for not being into the game. Light a fire under their ass, its their job, its the game they've played since they were kids, its supposed to be their life. Start having them act like it.

Im a pissed off Cubs fan and I need new ownership and personnel or im gonna go crazy. What do the rest of you Cubs fans think?

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the only solid position we've ever had was Sandberg at 2nd.

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C'mon now. You had this one guy who hit almost 200 HR's in only 3 seasons.

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the only solid position we've ever had was Sandberg at 2nd.

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C'mon now. You had this one guy who hit almost 200 HR's in only 3 seasons.

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ya ya i forgot, Sosa .... he's dead to me now after how he acted.

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the only solid position we've ever had was Sandberg at 2nd.

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C'mon now. You had this one guy who hit almost 200 HR's in only 3 seasons.

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I'd just like to note how ridiculous this sounds.

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ya that is kind of ridiculous

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Im a pissed off Cubs fan and I need new ownership and personnel or im gonna go crazy. What do the rest of you Cubs fans think?

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sadly, the easiest way to get these is to pick a new team.

and i'm confused why the cubs should build around cedeno because they haven't had a good shortstop in forever, but no aramis, who is twice the player and at a similarly dead position for the franchise.

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Yikes!

Easy to forget. 66, 63, 50, 64, 49. wow.

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You do know about Baseball-Reference.com, right?

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You do know about Baseball-Reference.com, right?

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ya i do, it was more of a spur of the moment banter, sorry i forgot the precious Sosa. Also the thing about Ramirez is that he doesn't hustle at all or seem to care. There's no sense of urgency ever for this team. Ramirez is not a star and can't carry a team, he's a guy you get when you're 1 player away from a championship, not 10 or 12 players away as the Cubs are. Some Cubs fans have the impression we should keep Ramirez around cuz we haven't had a 3rd baseman since Santo, thats why i brought it up

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I was talking to Clark.

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sell the team
fire mcphail
murder hendry (make it look like a heart attack, shouldn't be hard)
fire baker

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He drove in 597 in four years; 149/year. 1621 total bases; 405/year. He drove in over 100 runs nine years in a row; and he had two years where he hit over 30 home runs and stole over thirty bases before he became a great player. He hit 63 home runs in his 4th best year.

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Im a pissed off Cubs fan and I need new ownership and personnel or im gonna go crazy. What do the rest of you Cubs fans think?

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Yeah, I am tired of it. I am only 20 though, I am sure some of the adult cub fans around here are more angry about this than I am.

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sell the team

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There is literally no chance this happens. The Cubs are one of the most profitable franchises in the MLB, mainly due to their idiotic fans willing to put up with retards in the front office year after year.

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Im a pissed off Cubs fan and I need new ownership and personnel or im gonna go crazy. What do the rest of you Cubs fans think?

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Yeah, I am tired of it. I am only 20 though, I am sure some of the adult cub fans around here are more angry about this than I am.

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i just turned 21 on Sunday, and im not gonna go to a game this year or next until i see significant improvement. I usually go to about 5-10 games a year too

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sell the team

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There is literally no chance this happens. The Cubs are one of the most profitable franchises in the MLB, mainly due to their idiotic fans willing to put up with retards in the front office year after year.

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I am aware of this, but a man can dream.

I also forgot to mention the second most important thing to do after implementing my plan (#1 is throwing assloads of cash Billy Beane's way):

HIRE DAVEY JOHNSON

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The Red Sox could not buy William Lamar Beane - the Cubs certainly cannot.

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ya i do, it was more of a spur of the moment banter, sorry i forgot the precious Sosa. Also the thing about Ramirez is that he doesn't hustle at all or seem to care. There's no sense of urgency ever for this team. Ramirez is not a star and can't carry a team, he's a guy you get when you're 1 player away from a championship, not 10 or 12 players away as the Cubs are. Some Cubs fans have the impression we should keep Ramirez around cuz we haven't had a 3rd baseman since Santo, thats why i brought it up

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off-the-record comment:
I have played poker at the Hollywood Aurora with Jimmy Piersall a few times. He is still quite the personality and loves to talk baseball. It is worth the rake just to listen to the man go on and on with his stories.
Anyway, he often refers to Ramirez as the f aggot on the team. This is due mainly to his selfishness and lazy behavior. Kind of humorous.
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stop relying on Wood & Prior

The line-up is actually pretty decent--Murton, Pierre, Jones, Ramirez, Cedeno, Walker, Lee, and Barrett is solid for the NL. Zambrano is a bull, but there isn't enough backing him up. Bad starting pitching exposes relief pitchers. Acquire a pitcher or two. Spend the money they make.


Oh yeah....build a new grandstand for Wrigley (you can keep the same locale and atmosphere). Needs wider aisles, more boxes, and less poles blocking my view of Pujols hitting dingers [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img].

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The line-up is actually pretty decent--Murton, Pierre, Jones, Ramirez, Cedeno, Walker, Lee, and Barrett is solid for the NL.

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Yeah, that would be fine if Dusty actually played those guys. Neifi Perez seems to find his way in the lineup at all times, as do other idiots replacing actual prospects.

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Ramirez is very good plus he has played really good defense since coming to the Cubs. Yes, he should hustle more, but there aren't 5 3B better than him. It will be interesting what they do with Pierre because he's been very good lately. Lee, Ramirez, Cedeno, Barrett, and Jones should all be kept. I think a lot depends on if the Cubs can sign a big named LF such as Carlos Lee. I think Murton's probably a 4th Outfielder. He could platoon in RF with Jones who usually struggles vs. the Lefties. Jones took a lot of crap early mostly because he's a similar player to Patterson, but the fact is that Jones has been the best hitter the Cubs have this year. I'd like to see the Cubs give Theriot all of the ABs at 2B, because they aren't keeping Walker. We should just trade Walker now and be done with it. I like the way our pitching is shaping up. They have run Marshall out there every 5th day which is going to pay dividends next year. Marmol looks good, so they need to keep running him out there every 5th day in the second half. Zambrano is probably the best pitcher in the league right now. They should deal Maddux to let him make a playoff run and bring up Rich Hill and run him out there every 5th day. Contrary to probably everyone else, I do think Prior will come back and be a fine pitcher - he's just had a really bad run of luck colliding with Giles and then taking the line drive off of his elbow. When he came up, everyone talked about how good his mechanics are so I'm betting he will be fine starting in 07. We have the makings of a pretty good bullpen, but Dempster needs to prove he can get it straightened out in the second half. Erye and Howry have been everything we thought they would. The other guys down there have been mediocre but that's pretty standard in this day and age.

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but there aren't 5 3B better than him

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There are 5 3B better than him in the National League alone.

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The line-up is actually pretty decent--Murton, Pierre, Jones, Ramirez, Cedeno, Walker, Lee, and Barrett is solid for the NL.

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Yeah, that would be fine if Dusty actually played those guys. Neifi Perez seems to find his way in the lineup at all times, as do other idiots replacing actual prospects.

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or if the entire outfield didn't suck eggs.

essentially, the cubs are stuck with prior. he simply has to be healthy, they can't get much that would compare to the upside that is him 3 years ago.

basically, get enlightened management and managers and spend some of the ludicrous amounts of cash made on the Cubs on the STUDS and not jacque [censored] jones. get beltran, get pedro, whatever. take only the best guys on the market for more than a couple mil a year. Note how this "decent lineup" has a -.120 OBP or something ridiculous outside of DLee. Sadly the farm looks rather barren as well for impact players. Lots of high-upside pitching and zero position talent. Even the patterson trade looks stupid.

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but there aren't 5 3B better than him

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There are 5 3B better than him in the National League alone.

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Ramirez is currently 9th in OPS for NL 3rd baseman, 11th in OBP, 3rd in HR, 8th in RBI, and 11th in BA. To say that he might be the 6th best 3rd baseman is being nice.

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To say that he might be the 6th best 3rd baseman is being nice.

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Yes, I was trying to be nice.

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but there aren't 5 3B better than him

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uhhhh, no.

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I'd take Wright, Rolen, or Jones. Who else?

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but there aren't 5 3B better than him

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uhhhh, no.

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Wright, Rolen, Cabrera, Chipper, Atkins, and Zimmerman. I even threw one extra in for you.

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After further thought, he probably isn't top 5 in MLB, but def. Top 10.

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I'd take ARam over Atkins and Zimmerman

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I'd take ARam over Atking and Zimmerman

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You'd be wrong and silly, but OK.

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I'd take Wright, Rolen, or Jones. Who else?

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Those 3...then definitely Cabrera & Zimmerman. And you can make a very good argument for Atkins, Ensberg and Sanchez.

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After further thought, he probably isn't top 5 in MLB, but def. Top 10.

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ARod
Wright
Cabrera
Rolen
Glaus
Chipper
Atkins
Crede
Zimmerman
Mora
Blalock
Ensberg

And if you don't think Zimmerman and/or Atkins are better than Aramis, Morgan Ensberg DEFINITELY is.

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I'd take ARam over Atking and Zimmerman

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You'd be wrong and silly, but OK.

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In a down year with no protection in the lineup (Lee), he has similar stats.

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After further thought, he probably isn't top 5 in MLB, but def. Top 10.

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ARod
Wright
Cabrera
Rolen
Glaus
Chipper
Atkins
Crede
Zimmerman
Mora
Blalock
Ensberg

And if you don't think Zimmerman and/or Atkins are better than Aramis, Morgan Ensberg DEFINITELY is.

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The same Ensberg who the Astros had to trade for another player to come in and play his position some of the time? Okay.

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lmao. Fine take him out then.

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After further thought, he probably isn't top 5 in MLB, but def. Top 10.

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ARod
Wright
Cabrera
Rolen
Glaus
Chipper
Atkins
Crede
Zimmerman
Mora
Blalock
Ensberg

And if you don't think Zimmerman and/or Atkins are better than Aramis, Morgan Ensberg DEFINITELY is.

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The same Ensberg who the Astros had to trade for another player to come in and play his position some of the time? Okay.

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In fairness, maybe he sucks because he is hurt.

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I'd take Wright, Rolen, or Jones. Who else?

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Those 3...then definitely Cabrera & Zimmerman. And you can make a very good argument for Atkins, Ensberg and Sanchez.

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Sanchez? C'mon. Let's not take half a good season and compare it with a guy who is 30/90 most of his career. Sanchez had 5 HR and 35 RBI in 453 ABs last year. Let's at least see him do it a whole season or two.

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I'd take ARam over Atkins and Zimmerman

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hahahahhhahahahaha

and that's why you're a Cubs fan

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After further thought, he probably isn't top 5 in MLB, but def. Top 10.

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ARod
Wright
Cabrera
Rolen
Glaus
Chipper
Atkins
Crede
Zimmerman
Mora
Blalock
Ensberg

And if you don't think Zimmerman and/or Atkins are better than Aramis, Morgan Ensberg DEFINITELY is.

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The same Ensberg who the Astros had to trade for another player to come in and play his position some of the time? Okay.

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In fairness, maybe he sucks because he is hurt.

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1. He is on the 15-day DL
2. Huff plays much more than 3B.