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Prove to me that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization
I think they are mostly a militia and a political party. They shoot at israeli soldiers that are unlawfully occupying part of southern lebanon, and they run candidates in the lebanese parliament. What's terrorist about that?
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by and large, it hink the use of the word "terrorist" is counterproductive, and just serves to simplify debate. i won't try to convince you tht they are a terrorist organization, but they do undermine the sovereignty of the lebanese governemt. they do this by refusing to begin disarming, as all the other former lebanese militias have done, as well as acting as a proxy for syria and iran. in addition the shebaa farms are actually part of syria, not lebanon. finally, while hizballah is certainly pat of the political proscess in lebanon, they do act to quell opposition within the shia community.
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plus they attack civilans using suicide bombers and such, but that aint terrorism, thats freedom fighting.
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[ QUOTE ] plus they attack civilans using suicide bombers and such, but that aint terrorism, thats freedom fighting. [/ QUOTE ] aren't you confusing hamas with hezbollah? There's a big difference. Hezbollah is lebanese. Hamas is palestinian. Hezbollah is Shia. Hamas is Sunni. Hezbollah attacks soldiers. Hamas attacks civilians. |
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Hezbollah supplies hamas and other palestinian terrorists with weapons, funding and training. To me its the same thing.
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I think they are mostly a militia and a political party. They shoot at israeli soldiers that are unlawfully occupying part of southern lebanon, and they run candidates in the lebanese parliament. What's terrorist about that? [/ QUOTE ] Hizballah, Formed in 1982 in response to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, this Lebanon-based radical Shia group takes its ideological inspiration from the Iranian revolution and the teachings of the late Ayatollah Khomeini. The Majlis al-Shura, or Consultative Council, is the group’s highest governing body and is led by Secretary General Hasan Nasrallah. Hizballah is dedicated to liberating Jerusalem and eliminating Israel, and has formally advocated ultimate establishment of Islamic rule in Lebanon. Nonetheless, Hizballah has actively participated in Lebanon’s political system since 1992. Hizballah is closely allied with, and often directed by, Iran but has the capability and willingness to act independently. Though Hizballah does not share the Syrian regime’s secular orientation, the group has been a strong ally in helping Syria advance its political objectives in the region. They are known or suspected to have been involved in numerous anti-US and anti-Israeli terrorist attacks, including the suicide truck bombings of the US Embassy and US Marine barracks in Beirut in 1983 and the US Embassy annex in Beirut in 1984. Three members of Hizballah, ‘Imad Mughniyah, Hasan Izz-al-Din, and Ali Atwa, are on the FBI’s list of 22 Most Wanted Terrorists for the 1985 hijacking of TWA Flight 847 during which a US Navy diver was murdered. Elements of the group were responsible for the kidnapping and detention of Americans and other Westerners in Lebanon in the 1980s. Hizballah also attacked the Israeli Embassy in Argentina in 1992 and the Israeli cultural center in Buenos Aires in 1994. In 2000, Hizballah operatives captured three Israeli soldiers in the Shab’a Farms and kidnapped an Israeli noncombatant. Operates in the southern suburbs of Beirut, the Bekaa Valley, and southern Lebanon. They have established cells in Europe, Africa, South America, North America, and Asia. You can read more about Hizballah and other terrorists groups at: http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/tgpndx.htm |
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The following are a few examples of terrorist acts conducted by Hezbollah from an article by the Council on Foreign Relations.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/9155/ [ QUOTE ] and two major 1990s attacks on Jewish targets in Argentina—the 1992 bombing of the Israeli Embassy (killing twenty-nine) and the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center (killing ninety-five) [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] the suicide truck bombings that killed more than 200 U.S. Marines at their barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, in 1983 [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] the 1985 hijacking of TWA flight 847, which featured the famous footage of the plane’s pilot leaning out of the cockpit with a gun to his head [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] a series of kidnappings of Westerners in Lebanon, including several Americans, in the 1980s [/ QUOTE ] |
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I think they are mostly a militia and a political party. They shoot at israeli soldiers that are unlawfully occupying part of southern lebanon, and they run candidates in the lebanese parliament. What's terrorist about that? [/ QUOTE ] Are you sure you want to use that argument? If anything, this tends to make one think that the Lebanese political system, itself, supports (or at least accepts) a strong and officially recognized terrorist voice within its present system. |
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The following are a few examples of terrorist acts conducted by Hezbollah from an article by the Council on Foreign Relations. http://www.cfr.org/publication/9155/ [ QUOTE ] and two major 1990s attacks on Jewish targets in Argentina—the 1992 bombing of the Israeli Embassy (killing twenty-nine) and the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center (killing ninety-five) [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] the suicide truck bombings that killed more than 200 U.S. Marines at their barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, in 1983 [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] the 1985 hijacking of TWA flight 847, which featured the famous footage of the plane’s pilot leaning out of the cockpit with a gun to his head [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] a series of kidnappings of Westerners in Lebanon, including several Americans, in the 1980s [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Hizb Allah denies involvement in the Argentina episodes. They were also more than ten years ago; if you want to go far enough back in the past you can find unequivocal acts of terrorism by Israeli groups too (not to mention numerous car bombings, mass murders, targetting of civilians etc that are by any serious definition terrorist acts that it engaged in when in Lebanion before and elsewhere). I don;t see how the attack on the marine barracks, a military target of a country that was intervening in the conflict increasingly on behalf of one side, can be considered a terrorist attack. |
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Hizb Allah denies involvement in the Argentina episodes. [/ QUOTE ] Its telling how eager you are to take Hezbollah's word. |
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[ QUOTE ] Hizb Allah denies involvement in the Argentina episodes. [/ QUOTE ] Its telling how eager you are to take Hezbollah's word. [/ QUOTE ] I do not take their word; I and most people don;t know for sure what the extent of their involvement is, although they are not generall regarded as disowning their own operations. It was a disgusting episode and I condemn anyone who was involved. But Hizballah's record is overwhelmingly one of military involvement with the Israeli army and it not in my view primarily a terrorist organisation even if it has arguably been involved in some terrorist-type atrocities. If it has targetted civilians or been involved in terrorist type acts in the past in its conflict with Israel, it certainly isn't alone. Its record on targetting civilians is a lot better than that of the Israeli army's. |
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I think they are mostly a militia and a political party. They shoot at israeli soldiers that are unlawfully occupying part of southern lebanon, and they run candidates in the lebanese parliament. What's terrorist about that? [/ QUOTE ] awesome, now israel is fully justified in destroying the lebanese infastructure since these were acts by part of the lebanese government/parliament. If these were terrorists acts there was actually an argument for israel's actions being disproportionate. Now you make the argument that this was an attack by lebanon itself. Do you secretely work for the israeli government press department? thanks |
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I don;t see how the attack on the marine barracks, a military target of a country that was intervening in the conflict increasingly on behalf of one side, can be considered a terrorist attack. [/ QUOTE ] Ditto. |
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[ QUOTE ] I think they are mostly a militia and a political party. They shoot at israeli soldiers that are unlawfully occupying part of southern lebanon, and they run candidates in the lebanese parliament. What's terrorist about that? [/ QUOTE ] awesome, now israel is fully justified in destroying the lebanese infastructure since these were acts by part of the lebanese government/parliament. If these were terrorists acts there was actually an argument for israel's actions being disproportionate. Now you make the argument that this was an attack by lebanon itself. Do you secretely work for the israeli government press department? thanks [/ QUOTE ] This point should be stressed more. If Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization, then what are they? A legitimate body associated with the government of Lebanon? In that case, Israel, a sovereign nation, was attacked by Lebanon, another sovereign nation, and is completely justified in declaring war on Lebanon until such time as Lebanon stops firing rockets and returns the kidnapped soldiers. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think they are mostly a militia and a political party. They shoot at israeli soldiers that are unlawfully occupying part of southern lebanon, and they run candidates in the lebanese parliament. What's terrorist about that? [/ QUOTE ] awesome, now israel is fully justified in destroying the lebanese infastructure since these were acts by part of the lebanese government/parliament. If these were terrorists acts there was actually an argument for israel's actions being disproportionate. Now you make the argument that this was an attack by lebanon itself. Do you secretely work for the israeli government press department? thanks [/ QUOTE ] This point should be stressed more. If Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization, then what are they? A legitimate body associated with the government of Lebanon? In that case, Israel, a sovereign nation, was attacked by Lebanon, another sovereign nation, and is completely justified in declaring war on Lebanon until such time as Lebanon stops firing rockets and returns the kidnapped soldiers. [/ QUOTE ] THis is completely illogical. Terrorism isn't about whether or not they are part of the state; it's about whether or not their primary methods are the use of violence to terrify civilians in order to achieve political goals. They can be a non-terrorist militia organisation for instance, without being part of the state. Being a non-state armed group does not automatically make that group a terrorist group and being a non-terrorist group does not automatically mean that the group must be part of the state. If you think them being part of the Lebanese state would give Israel the right to attack Lebanese civilian infrastructure, I presume you think it is Hizb Allah's right to do the same to Israeli civilian infrastructure. |
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I think they are mostly a militia and a political party. They shoot at israeli soldiers that are unlawfully occupying part of southern lebanon, and they run candidates in the lebanese parliament. What's terrorist about that? [/ QUOTE ] A terrorist is someone who has a different political agenda to us. Mack |
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Last night there was a news story on CNN showing Hezbollah personal lined up in military formation wearing masks and suicide vests. I think that is proof enough they are terrorists.
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Ummm. A few facts to get you back to reality. Israel pulled out of Lebanon in 2000 as part of a U.N. resolution which also stated that Lebanon military take control of the southern Lebanon. Israel kept their part of the bargin, but Lebanon let Hezbollah keep military control of southern Lebanon.
Snowball138, Are you a member of Hezbollah or Hamas? Do you support terrorists groups? What country are you a resident? |
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Israel pulled out of Lebanon in 2000 as part of a U.N. resolution which also stated that Lebanon military take control of the southern Lebanon. [/ QUOTE ] And after only 18 years! It was not part of any resolution that took place then, the resolution telling them to withdraw had stood for years and they ignored it for years; they left when they decided it didn;t suit them any more, irrespective of UN resloutions. Of course, we know that Israel loves to adhere to UN resolutions. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think they are mostly a militia and a political party. They shoot at israeli soldiers that are unlawfully occupying part of southern lebanon, and they run candidates in the lebanese parliament. What's terrorist about that? [/ QUOTE ] awesome, now israel is fully justified in destroying the lebanese infastructure since these were acts by part of the lebanese government/parliament. If these were terrorists acts there was actually an argument for israel's actions being disproportionate. Now you make the argument that this was an attack by lebanon itself. Do you secretely work for the israeli government press department? thanks [/ QUOTE ] This point should be stressed more. If Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization, then what are they? A legitimate body associated with the government of Lebanon? In that case, Israel, a sovereign nation, was attacked by Lebanon, another sovereign nation, and is completely justified in declaring war on Lebanon until such time as Lebanon stops firing rockets and returns the kidnapped soldiers. [/ QUOTE ] THis is completely illogical. Terrorism isn't about whether or not they are part of the state; it's about whether or not their primary methods are the use of violence to terrify civilians in order to achieve political goals. They can be a non-terrorist militia organisation for instance, without being part of the state. Being a non-state armed group does not automatically make that group a terrorist group and being a non-terrorist group does not automatically mean that the group must be part of the state. If you think them being part of the Lebanese state would give Israel the right to attack Lebanese civilian infrastructure, I presume you think it is Hizb Allah's right to do the same to Israeli civilian infrastructure. [/ QUOTE ] This is your typical argument from terrorist supporters who want to have their cake and eat it too. They don't want their beloved hezbollah (or as hezbollah lovers like to refer to themselves as hizb allah) to be referred to as terrorists because it sounds bad. But they also don't want to acknowledge the fact that hezbollah is part of the lebanese government and is therefore supported by part of the lebanese people. They basically want to be allowed to bomb israel without israel being able to defend itself. Luckily for you most intelligent people see straight through your pathetic attempts. Nice try though. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think they are mostly a militia and a political party. They shoot at israeli soldiers that are unlawfully occupying part of southern lebanon, and they run candidates in the lebanese parliament. What's terrorist about that? [/ QUOTE ] awesome, now israel is fully justified in destroying the lebanese infastructure since these were acts by part of the lebanese government/parliament. If these were terrorists acts there was actually an argument for israel's actions being disproportionate. Now you make the argument that this was an attack by lebanon itself. Do you secretely work for the israeli government press department? thanks [/ QUOTE ] This point should be stressed more. If Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization, then what are they? A legitimate body associated with the government of Lebanon? In that case, Israel, a sovereign nation, was attacked by Lebanon, another sovereign nation, and is completely justified in declaring war on Lebanon until such time as Lebanon stops firing rockets and returns the kidnapped soldiers. [/ QUOTE ] THis is completely illogical. Terrorism isn't about whether or not they are part of the state; it's about whether or not their primary methods are the use of violence to terrify civilians in order to achieve political goals. They can be a non-terrorist militia organisation for instance, without being part of the state. Being a non-state armed group does not automatically make that group a terrorist group and being a non-terrorist group does not automatically mean that the group must be part of the state. If you think them being part of the Lebanese state would give Israel the right to attack Lebanese civilian infrastructure, I presume you think it is Hizb Allah's right to do the same to Israeli civilian infrastructure. [/ QUOTE ] This is your typical argument from terrorist supporters who want to have their cake and eat it too. They don't want their beloved hezbollah (or as hezbollah lovers like to refer to themselves as hizb allah) to be referred to as terrorists because it sounds bad. But they also don't want to acknowledge the fact that hezbollah is part of the lebanese government and is therefore supported by part of the lebanese people. They basically want to be allowed to bomb israel without israel being able to defend itself. Luckily for you most intelligent people see straight through your pathetic attempts. Nice try though. [/ QUOTE ] So you are sticking to the argument that the definition of terrorism depends solely on whether or not the group is part of a state and is not actually about methods? If that's your definition fine, just doesn;t seem to be the one anyone else is using. I'll take note that you're speaking a completely different language to the rest of us. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think they are mostly a militia and a political party. They shoot at israeli soldiers that are unlawfully occupying part of southern lebanon, and they run candidates in the lebanese parliament. What's terrorist about that? [/ QUOTE ] awesome, now israel is fully justified in destroying the lebanese infastructure since these were acts by part of the lebanese government/parliament. If these were terrorists acts there was actually an argument for israel's actions being disproportionate. Now you make the argument that this was an attack by lebanon itself. Do you secretely work for the israeli government press department? thanks [/ QUOTE ] This point should be stressed more. If Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization, then what are they? A legitimate body associated with the government of Lebanon? In that case, Israel, a sovereign nation, was attacked by Lebanon, another sovereign nation, and is completely justified in declaring war on Lebanon until such time as Lebanon stops firing rockets and returns the kidnapped soldiers. [/ QUOTE ] THis is completely illogical. Terrorism isn't about whether or not they are part of the state; it's about whether or not their primary methods are the use of violence to terrify civilians in order to achieve political goals. They can be a non-terrorist militia organisation for instance, without being part of the state. Being a non-state armed group does not automatically make that group a terrorist group and being a non-terrorist group does not automatically mean that the group must be part of the state. If you think them being part of the Lebanese state would give Israel the right to attack Lebanese civilian infrastructure, I presume you think it is Hizb Allah's right to do the same to Israeli civilian infrastructure. [/ QUOTE ] This is your typical argument from terrorist supporters who want to have their cake and eat it too. They don't want their beloved hezbollah (or as hezbollah lovers like to refer to themselves as hizb allah) to be referred to as terrorists because it sounds bad. But they also don't want to acknowledge the fact that hezbollah is part of the lebanese government and is therefore supported by part of the lebanese people. They basically want to be allowed to bomb israel without israel being able to defend itself. Luckily for you most intelligent people see straight through your pathetic attempts. Nice try though. [/ QUOTE ] So you are sticking to the argument that the definition of terrorism depends solely on whether or not the group is part of a state and is not actually about methods? If that's your definition fine, just doesn;t seem to be the one anyone else is using. I'll take note that you're speaking a completely different language to the rest of us. [/ QUOTE ] Seems like some issues are being conflated, i.e. I think you are both right to a degree. The question of whether or not Hezbollah is a terrorist organization is moot at this point in time. Are they or are they not supported by the Lebanese government. I would argue that their is much evidence of implicit support and possibly even explicit. If so, Israel has the right to react to the attacks as they have done. If the Lebanese government has made serious, good faith efforts to stop the actions of Hezbollah, then the Israeli actions are unjustified. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think they are mostly a militia and a political party. They shoot at israeli soldiers that are unlawfully occupying part of southern lebanon, and they run candidates in the lebanese parliament. What's terrorist about that? [/ QUOTE ] awesome, now israel is fully justified in destroying the lebanese infastructure since these were acts by part of the lebanese government/parliament. If these were terrorists acts there was actually an argument for israel's actions being disproportionate. Now you make the argument that this was an attack by lebanon itself. Do you secretely work for the israeli government press department? thanks [/ QUOTE ] This point should be stressed more. If Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization, then what are they? A legitimate body associated with the government of Lebanon? In that case, Israel, a sovereign nation, was attacked by Lebanon, another sovereign nation, and is completely justified in declaring war on Lebanon until such time as Lebanon stops firing rockets and returns the kidnapped soldiers. [/ QUOTE ] THis is completely illogical. Terrorism isn't about whether or not they are part of the state; it's about whether or not their primary methods are the use of violence to terrify civilians in order to achieve political goals. They can be a non-terrorist militia organisation for instance, without being part of the state. Being a non-state armed group does not automatically make that group a terrorist group and being a non-terrorist group does not automatically mean that the group must be part of the state. If you think them being part of the Lebanese state would give Israel the right to attack Lebanese civilian infrastructure, I presume you think it is Hizb Allah's right to do the same to Israeli civilian infrastructure. [/ QUOTE ] This is your typical argument from terrorist supporters who want to have their cake and eat it too. They don't want their beloved hezbollah (or as hezbollah lovers like to refer to themselves as hizb allah) to be referred to as terrorists because it sounds bad. But they also don't want to acknowledge the fact that hezbollah is part of the lebanese government and is therefore supported by part of the lebanese people. They basically want to be allowed to bomb israel without israel being able to defend itself. Luckily for you most intelligent people see straight through your pathetic attempts. Nice try though. [/ QUOTE ] So you are sticking to the argument that the definition of terrorism depends solely on whether or not the group is part of a state and is not actually about methods? If that's your definition fine, just doesn;t seem to be the one anyone else is using. I'll take note that you're speaking a completely different language to the rest of us. [/ QUOTE ] Seems like some issues are being conflated, i.e. I think you are both right to a degree. The question of whether or not Hezbollah is a terrorist organization is moot at this point in time. Are they or are they not supported by the Lebanese government. I would argue that their is much evidence of implicit support and possibly even explicit. If so, Israel has the right to react to the attacks as they have done. If the Lebanese government has made serious, good faith efforts to stop the actions of Hezbollah, then the Israeli actions are unjustified. [/ QUOTE ] It is perfectly reasonable to argue about the extent of Hizballah's links with the Lebanese government and the consequent complicity of the Lebanese government. But that doesn't relate to whether or not it is a terrorist organisation. Saying it isn;t a terrorist organisation doesn't mean it must be part of government or vice versa. [ QUOTE ] If so, Israel has the right to react to the attacks as they have done. [/ QUOTE ] It has the right to respond proportionately. What it has done is out of all proportion to what was done to it and has massively escalated the situation (unless your a pro- Israeli, in which case bombing all of Lebanon and killing 100 plus people in response to an attack on soldiers is fine, but firing in Haifa is tantamount to nuclear war). Hizb Allah wouldn't exist in such a powerful form if it weren't for Israel. Israel spent 18 years occupying parts of Lebanon and Hizba Allah were the only people that proved capable of resisting the occupation and eventually making them leave, garnering massive support and power for themselves in the process. People fear that removing them and replacing them with the mostly ineffectual Lebanese army would leave Lebanon defenceless once again, just as when Israel made PLO fighters leave Beirut and then, in spite of its own and international (US) assurances, sent in its Falangist allies to slaugter hundreds of unprotected civilians in the Palestinian refugee camps. |
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It is perfectly reasonable to argue about the extent of Hizballah's links with the Lebanese government and the consequent complicity of the Lebanese government. But that doesn't relate to whether or not it is a terrorist organisation. Saying it isn;t a terrorist organisation doesn't mean it must be part of government or vice versa. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed, which is why I said the question of their status as a terrorist organization is a moot one at this point in time. [ QUOTE ] It has the right to respond proportionately. What it has done is out of all proportion to what was done to it and has massively escalated the situation (unless your a pro- Israeli, in which case bombing all of Lebanon and killing 100 plus people in response to an attack on soldiers is fine, but firing in Haifa is tantamount to nuclear war). [/ QUOTE ] I've been quite busy at work so honestly my knowledge of the chronology of the various events is a bit spotty. So I am to bow out of that particular question for the time being. [ QUOTE ] Hizb Allah wouldn't exist in such a powerful form if it weren't for Israel. Israel spent 18 years occupying parts of Lebanon and Hizba Allah were the only people that proved capable of resisting the occupation and eventually making them leave, garnering massive support and power for themselves in the process. People fear that removing them and replacing them with the mostly ineffectual Lebanese army would leave Lebanon defenceless once again, just as when Israel made PLO fighters leave Beirut and then, in spite of its own and international (US) assurances, sent in its Falangist allies to slaugter hundreds of unprotected civilians in the Palestinian refugee camps. [/ QUOTE ] I find this to be a bit of a red herring. The only real relevance is to shed some light on why the Hezbollah still has a lot of support. But Im not sure it speaks to the question of Israel's response to the attacks. |
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Hizb Allah wouldn't exist in such a powerful form if it weren't for Israel. Israel spent 18 years occupying parts of Lebanon and Hizba Allah were the only people that proved capable of resisting the occupation and eventually making them leave, garnering massive support and power for themselves in the process. People fear that removing them and replacing them with the mostly ineffectual Lebanese army would leave Lebanon defenceless once again, just as when Israel made PLO fighters leave Beirut and then, in spite of its own and international (US) assurances, sent in its Falangist allies to slaugter hundreds of unprotected civilians in the Palestinian refugee camps. I find this to be a bit of a red herring. The only real relevance is to shed some light on why the Hezbollah still has a lot of support. But Im not sure it speaks to the question of Israel's response to the attacks. [/ QUOTE ] I mentioned it in the context of demands that because the Lebanese government hadn't dealth with Hizb Allah/removed it, it should be held responsible and targetted. Its difficulty in dealing with Hizb Allah in large part a consequenece of the long occupation and Hizb Allah being the sole group to effectively resist it. |
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Hizb Allah denies involvement in the Argentina episodes. They were also more than ten years ago [/ QUOTE ] So everything that happened more than 10 years ago is irrelevant? What about 5 years? Is that irrelevant too? Not surprisingly your posts defy logic. Were the Argentinian attacks terrorism? Yes/No? [ QUOTE ] I don;t see how the attack on the marine barracks, a military target of a country that was intervening in the conflict increasingly on behalf of one side, can be considered a terrorist attack. [/ QUOTE ] The marines were in Lebanon as part of a multinational force to oversee the evactuation of the PLO. As with vitually every one of yours posts, you seriously need to go back and reread the history. Unless you want to claim that it was more than 10 years ago. A few facts: On Aug 28, 1983 - a full year after the Marines had been in Lebanon - a combat outpost manned by 30 Marines and Lebanese Army troops east of Beirut International Airport came under attack. Marines returned fire for the first time. On August 31, 1983 after Moslem shelling of the US embassy, Marines return fire. September 19, 1983 - Two American warships fire rounds to help Lebanese Army troops retain hold on the village of Suq al Gharb. How dare the Americans intervene on the side of the Lebanese. Don't they know whose country this is? Oh wait... You also forgot to mention the "non-terrorist" attack on the French barracks that killed 58. [ QUOTE ] But Hizballah's record is overwhelmingly one of military involvement with the Israeli army and it not in my view primarily a terrorist organisation even if it has arguably been involved in some terrorist-type atrocities. [/ QUOTE ] All I can say to the above statement is....Wow. Nasrallah has repeatedly argued that the US is the cause of all Lebanon's woes. In his words, "death to America is not a slogan. Death to America is a policy, a strategy and a vision.". Thankfully it is only a matter of time before Hezbollah is swept up in the dustbin of history. |
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if what u say is right, then An official governament politic clan attacking militaries of their nrighboors, it's a war declaration.
War has began, and i think israel is imply answering to it rather than letting its soldiers being rapped and killed. |
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Prior to 9/11 hezbollah had killed more Americans than any other terrorist organization.
2/2/04 Interview with Ambassador Black See the third question of the Q & A section. |
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Prior to 9/11 hezbollah had killed more Americans than any other terrorist organization. 2/2/04 Interview with Ambassador Black See the third question of the Q & A section. [/ QUOTE ] The attack on the marine barracks in 82 wasn't terrorism. |
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What was it if not terrorism? from that bastion of hawks, CBS news [/ QUOTE ] If soldiers from country A are in country B people from country B attacking them are not committing terrorism. |
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You do realize that the US was in Lebanon as part of an multinational peacekeeping force? Their mission? To oversee the safe evacuation of PLO guerrillas. But im sure you knew that...
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And after only 18 years! [/ QUOTE ] Nicky You know I respect your knowledge of this part of the globe, and particularly on the Lebanese front. We have many times discussed this back in the day. That being said, im sure you can see the reasoning behind waiting so long. Lebanon has proven time and again it cant effectively control the southern part its country. |
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[ QUOTE ] You do realize that the US was in Lebanon as part of an multinational peacekeeping force? Their mission? To oversee the safe evacuation of PLO guerrillas. But im sure you knew that... [/ QUOTE ] "A U.S. contingent entered Lebanon in July 1982 to oversee the departure of the Palestine Liberation Organization, which Israel had invaded to displace. That American detachment left in September 1982, but U.S. forces returned later that month when violence resumed. " link They were there before as part of the PLO evacuation. This was a different mission that they got bombed for. |
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Yes, they did return once again. This time as part of a multinational peacekeeping force to try to establish some order after the Sabra and Shatilla refugee camp atrocities. Im sure the US intentions were malicious here as well.
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[ QUOTE ] You do realize that the US was in Lebanon as part of an multinational peacekeeping force? Their mission? To oversee the safe evacuation of PLO guerrillas. But im sure you knew that... [/ QUOTE ] "A U.S. contingent entered Lebanon in July 1982 to oversee the departure of the Palestine Liberation Organization, which Israel had invaded to displace. That American detachment left in September 1982, but U.S. forces returned later that month when violence resumed. " link They were there before as part of the PLO evacuation. This was a different mission that they got bombed for. [/ QUOTE ] Your neck must hurt from spinning so hard. |
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[ QUOTE ] Your neck must hurt from spinning so hard. [/ QUOTE ] I wish you luck in your competition with BillUCF for the covetted prize of troll of the month. |
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[ QUOTE ] Your neck must hurt from spinning so hard. [/ QUOTE ] I wish you luck in your competition with BillUCF for the covetted prize of troll of the month. [/ QUOTE ] Apparently Democratic Congresswoman Harman thinks they are. Statement from Jane Harman, (D) statement regardign Hezbollah's breach of UNSC res. 1559 |
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