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I raise UTG w K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Weak-tight player (15/6/1.1)in MP coldcalls.

234 two hearts

I bet-villain raises. Should I keep the lead here?
What about preflop?

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With up to 15 outs I 3 bet. If he caps, you can figure you probably need a heart.

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With up to 15 outs I 3 bet. If he caps, you can figure you probably need a heart.

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Could you please elaborate why you like a 3-bet here. To gain fold equity on the turn?

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Against a weak-tight player with those stats i think this frequently a mid pair. I'd call and checkraise a turn T, heart, and maybe a A/Q (if he can fold), and bet a K. Against a more typical LAG/TAG type who will play back at me with less here, I'd keep the lead and 3-bet or checkraise most turns.

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His stats are remarkable. How many hands are they based on? If the sample size is significant I play this passively because I think he is going to sd nearly always here no matter how we play it.

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His stats are remarkable. How many hands are they based on? If the sample size is significant I play this passively because I think he is going to sd nearly always here no matter how we play it.

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Don`t remeber how many exactly. What I do remeber is that I was rather convinced the stats meant something. So I had a good couple of hands on him and a semi-conscious read that at least did not interfere with his PT-stats. I 3-bet this and catched a K (MHWG against 99) on the turn but I tend to think it was not a good play.

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btw, is it standard for you to raise KTs00ted UTG?
for me its an instamuck

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KTs utg autoraise, so is QTs and JTs

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btw, is it standard for you to raise KTs00ted UTG?
for me its an instamuck

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I opened it 75% of the time in my last 100K hands. I muck it when I feel the table conditions aren`t right or my image sucks.

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Do me a favor, check your PT and tell me how many bb/100 you are winning when you raise KTs utg in a 6 handed game

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Do me a favor, check your PT and tell me how many bb/100 you are winning when you raise KTs utg in a 6 handed game

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+0.12.
I do not think it means anything (28 times).

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btw, is it standard for you to raise KTs00ted UTG?
for me its an instamuck

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really...I open down to K9s most of the time UTG, and QTs and JTs ~50% of the time, and I consider myself tight. I think against most lineups and table conditions opening KTs UTG will show a profit.

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His stats are remarkable. How many hands are they based on? If the sample size is significant I play this passively because I think he is going to sd nearly always here no matter how we play it.

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Don`t remeber how many exactly. What I do remeber is that I was rather convinced the stats meant something. So I had a good couple of hands on him and a semi-conscious read that at least did not interfere with his PT-stats. I 3-bet this and catched a K (MHWG against 99) on the turn but I tend to think it was not a good play.

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This guy really is screaming 'mid pair' at us after his pf/flop play. But do you think that a 3-bet/turn lead would frequently make him fold one? Given our equity, it really doesn't need to happen often, but I don't think he'll fold an overpair to a turn or river bet very often either.

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His stats are remarkable. How many hands are they based on? If the sample size is significant I play this passively because I think he is going to sd nearly always here no matter how we play it.

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Don`t remeber how many exactly. What I do remeber is that I was rather convinced the stats meant something. So I had a good couple of hands on him and a semi-conscious read that at least did not interfere with his PT-stats. I 3-bet this and catched a K (MHWG against 99) on the turn but I tend to think it was not a good play.

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This guy really is screaming 'mid pair' at us after his pf/flop play. But do you think that a 3-bet/turn lead would frequently make him fold one? Given our equity, it really doesn't need to happen often, but I don't think he'll fold an overpair to a turn or river bet very often either.

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A turn 5 or ace would be great for us in case he has a pp. On the other hand he may play a big ace like this but thats less likely. I am still not sure what the correct play is here.

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Could you please elaborate why you like a 3-bet here. To gain fold equity on the turn?

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It just looks and smelss like a mid pair, no?

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I would call the flop raise, and check/call the turn and check/fold the river if I miss. When a weak-tight raises me in this spot, I dont miss around. Trying to outplay a weak-tight person in this spot is just going to cost you money cuz they dont raise this flop with hands that will fold to pressure.

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Could you please elaborate why you like a 3-bet here. To gain fold equity on the turn?

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It just looks and smelss like a mid pair, no?

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Yes it does. So why we want to put more money in on the flop as an underdog?

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Could you please elaborate why you like a 3-bet here. To gain fold equity on the turn?

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It just looks and smelss like a mid pair, no?

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Yes it does. So why we want to put more money in on the flop as an underdog?

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Lurker4's post was great. I don't think we want to gas it here against this guy except in a very rare situation. It kills our implied odds and we're a slight dog at the moment. I'll take my play at the pot on an A or Q turn and capitalize on a T c/r as well as a heart c/r. I see nothing but good things that come from this line.

-WT

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This is almost always a middle pocket pair. Play accordingly.

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Against a weak-tight player with those stats i think this frequently a mid pair. I'd call and checkraise a turn T, heart, and maybe a A/Q (if he can fold), and bet a K.

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Could you please explain why you would c/r a T but donk a K.

And: Aren`t we better off just betting out when a scare card falls? We put a lot of money in by bluff c/raising the turn relatuve to the pot size.

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When people CC and raise a raggedy board it screams pocket pair, especially vs a weak-tight like this. I'd say that 80% of the time your opponent (based on his stats) will have something like 77 or 88, and another 10% of the time he will have a weak ace with the gut shot draw and two over cards. Either way we are behind at the moment.

3 betting for fold equity is bad in this position, if he is going to fold to a turn scare card like an A K or Q than he is doing so without the 3 bet.

The turn you can check raise a ten or any heart as they are unlikely to scare him out of betting, and your chances of pulling it off increase. With a K, you risk it being checked through, so a bet out seems in order. If you think he is capable of folding to a turn bet, consider semi-bluffing an Ace or a Queen as well, but only occasionaly. If a brick falls, I check call, and bet out anything I hit on the river, or check fold.

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Against a weak-tight player with those stats i think this frequently a mid pair. I'd call and checkraise a turn T, heart, and maybe a A/Q (if he can fold), and bet a K.

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Could you please explain why you would c/r a T but donk a K.

And: Aren`t we better off just betting out when a scare card falls? We put a lot of money in by bluff c/raising the turn relatuve to the pot size.

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It really depends on whether the weak-tight villain can fold. If he can, then I'd just bet a K, since he'll either bet/fold the turn or check with the intention of calling a river bet. These turn donkbets look more suspicious and less like a strong hand and are more likely to get called down, even by a weak tight. Thus a turn bet gains us an extra BB. A T is not as much of a scarecard so he may be more willing to calldown a checkraise, if not, then maybe betting a turn T is better than checkraising.

Similarly, this is why I'd checkraise a turn A instead of betting. That shows a lot more strength and will get a fold much more often out of the villain than betting out IMO. And if villain checks the turn since he is afraid of getting checkraised, then that's not a bad situation either getting a free card to hit one of our many outs. If we bet the turn A, we lose both advantages of fold equity, and a possible free card that checking would give us.

Of course if Villain is the type to just bet any turn and always go to SD (this is rare for a weak-tight though), I'd be check/calling any turn I miss and check/raising when I hit.

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Easy 3bet, you are favorite against hands like Ax and 77 and it disguises your hand somewhat.

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It just looks and smelss like a mid pair, no?

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Yes it does. So why we want to put more money in on the flop as an underdog?

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You are not an underdog to mid pair.

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Actually, I've changed my mind. While you are a likely favorite on the flop, 3betting takes away the opportunity to get multiple big bets on later streets and probably reduces folding equity as well. I think the best plan is to call the flop, donk an ace, king or a five and check/raise a flush and a ten.

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Call mostly and sometimes 3bet.

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Taking the lead against this guy here seems silly. You won't run over anything and if he should happen to have a big hand you lose the most when you miss the big streets and I think you will win the less overall when you hit them. I would only take the lead against a guy who I thought might fastplay ace-high here. With position I 3 bet here almost always (unless he's so weak that I think I can push him off a mid-pair if the Q/A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] falls or something).