KK hand on the button NL $50
 

Villain is 24/14/1.67. I was involved with him in 2 of the last 3 pots. In both I ended up laying down middle pair.

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MP2 ($61.91)
CO ($92.21)
Hero ($52.45)
SB ($50.20)
BB ($39.75)
UTG ($72.85)
UTG+1 ($20.40)
MP1 ($29)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $4.

Flop: ($12.75) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $24</font>, Hero ???

Re: KK hand on the button NL $50
 

Villian probably has a premium pair preflop, especially in cutoff posistion. He probably slowplayed his set. I'm going to fold.

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I ruled out a premium pair preflop.

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I probably push here, because I can't give him credit for JJ, QQ, QJ.

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Villian probably has a premium pair preflop, especially in cutoff posistion. He probably slowplayed his set. I'm going to fold.

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theres a lot more hand out there than JJ QQ and AA such as AQ KQ semi bluffing straights etc.

ive been struggling to get maximum value out of my overpairs atm but i think calling and CR turn is the best best play.

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Just say he had QQ or JJ preflop, what would his preflop raise be? 4xbb with one of those hands seems standard to me.

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Has he c/r before?

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Villian probably has a premium pair preflop, especially in cutoff posistion.

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FYI: For a TAG with his numbers, CO is a great stealing spot and his range is alot wider than just premium hands.

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I put him on AQ, KQ, 77 or QJ.

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So you dont think he can have JJ+?

Push already..

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Judging from his stats, I think you may be looking at AQ or QQ here. I don't think he would have raised JQ even from the CO. It's possible he could have AA too but he would have probably pushed preflop. After you reraised preflop I would guess QQ is more likely here because he c/r assuming you would bet his hand for him, which you did. If you are going to call here you may as well push.

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Has he c/r before?

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I'm playing multiple tables, so I didn't really get a read on his post-flop play.

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Judging from his stats, I think you may be looking at AQ or QQ here. I don't think he would have raised JQ even from the CO. It's possible he could have AA too but he would have probably pushed preflop. After you reraised preflop I would guess QQ is more likely here because he c/r assuming you would bet his hand for him, which you did. If you are going to call here you may as well push.

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I think he steals too often preflop in late position for me to give him credit for QQ. I think he might re-raise with that preflop.

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i missed the CR and the fact that ur in position..i think ur moneys going in as soon as u decide ur playing this hand. i think i like a call down.

Re: KK hand on the button NL $50
 

Well I don't think calling down is the right option since all the money is going in anyway. I think it's push or fold.

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I hate a call...why dont you think a TAG can be raising QJ in the CO.

Im raising QJ there all day.

As far as my plan...im pushing.

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How many hands are these numbers from? They are fairly close to numbers that I might have, and my range for opening in the CO here is HUGE: Axs+, 54s+, 22+, A8o+, any two paint.

I probably dump all the paint and the off-suited Aces to the re-raise, but everything else I call. When you are raising very light then you have to think Button is also re-raising lighter.

Of course, I would never min-raise, but T9s is definitely in his range, as is AQs and possibly KQs.

By the way, I make it $7 preflop.

I probably call the flop raise and push the turn, except possibly an 8 or an A on the turn.

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Well I don't think calling down is the right option since all the money is going in anyway. I think it's push or fold.

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Why? Do you want AQ to fold to your push?

Edit: I just noticed stack sizes, for some reason I thought effective stacks were $90 or so.

Push is fine, unless you think CO can make a Heroic fold with AQ.

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Well I don't think calling down is the right option since all the money is going in anyway. I think it's push or fold.

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i said call down cause the money is going AI anyway.the reason for this is you may fold out the hands that you beat against this player cause ur def not folding out any of the hands that beat u.

Re: KK hand on the button NL $50
 

good point

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Now that I think about it calling might've been the better option since my read was that he had KQ or AQ. It so happens that it wouldn't have affected this hand. I've been laying down over pairs a bit too much lately to tight players who I felt had sets on check-raises &amp; raises on the flop. I push, he shows QJ and his hand holds up.

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What does he think your preflop re-raising standards are? If he thinks you only reraise with AA or KK preflop, you are in trouble.

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I have been folding a lot of one pair hands in NL$50 lately to this type of aggression. It seems that 1 pair isn't good enough to withstand this sort of aggression at the NL$50 level, unless you have a read otherwise.
Is that too weak?

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I have been folding a lot of one pair hands in NL$50 lately to this type of aggression. It seems that 1 pair isn't good enough to withstand this sort of aggression at the NL$50 level, unless you have a read otherwise.
Is that too weak?

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i think so...im trying to get my money in more often atm with AA KK post flop.

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I would push this, you're more likely to be shown A-Q or K-Q than a set.

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The effective stacks are not even CLOSE to deep enough to consider anything other than a push.
jw

Re: KK hand on the button NL $50
 

good point josie_wales, ok so folks lets assume that he absolutely has AQ .. what's the consensus push or call? I've gotten differing opinions so far. I thought my push was fine.

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But AQ-KQ will fold while a set calls.

Just call and let him keep betting.