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New Software Announcement - SIXTH SENSE
This post is to announce a FREE ALPHA TRIAL VERSION of the new Sixth Sense software.
Created by poker players, for poker players - Sixth Sense is the newest, and best TABLE SELECTION tool in existence. Dozens of programs teach you how to play, show you your odds, show you your current opponents stats, etc. But the realm of table selection has taken a back-seat when it comes to enhancement software - UNTIL NOW. Right off the bat - is it legal? YES! Currently, it is widely accepted that as long as you are not sharing databases or hand histories, you are free and clear from any warnings or frozen accounts. Sixth Sense DOES NOT SHARE any database or hand history information whatsoever. We simply provide an up to date, sortable, and customizable list of all of the information that is already listed in the PartyPoker Lobby. What does it do? Our Sixth Sense system constantly scans the active tables at PartyPoker and stores the information on our personal server. The Sixth Sense Client then downloads this information, applies the player statistics and information from your personal database, and allows you to sort the tables according to profitability! Our highly-developed Fish Score equation then rates the players and sorts the tables based on which one has the highest accumulative Fish Score. The higher the score, the more profitable the table is for you! How profitable is it? More detailed graphs/information on the importance of table selection can be found on our website. In short - If you only chose the top 10% of tables, as opposed to a random selection, your win rate could increase by nearly 100%! Fish Score? Ben Ziegler and Myself have analyzed millions upon millions of hand histories, and the result of this analysis is our Fish Score equation. This equation will easily allow you to find the weakest players at any level, and sit right smack next to them. You can run but you cant hide! Tired of your favorite fish/buddies hiding themselves from search? With Sixth Sense, no fish is beyond your sight. If they are sitting at a table in our list, you can find them! This ability alone is very +EV. How can I try it? Detailed instructions and more program information are on our homepage - http://www.sixthsensepoker.com/ . The current Alpha version only works with Party Poker, and only with NL200-2000 and LHE 5/10-100/200. Future versions will include more levels, more sites, more games. Remember - The game of poker starts BEFORE YOU EVEN SIT AT THE TABLE. Nomatter how hard you study, or how hard you train, if you are not playing against weak opponents, you will not be anywhere near the winrate you have the potential for. Try Sixth Sense and see for yourself how much table selection makes a difference. Leave any further questions, comments, suggestions, etc. you have, and I will do my best to answer them. If, during your sign-up process, you do not receive your password in the email, check your spam filter. Hotmail especially has a problem with blocking our confirmation, so try to use a different email account. Thanks all, and I hope you enjoy it -Dan |
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I would really like to try it, but I multi table low limits. Gives us a hollar when you have it ready for low limit tables.
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Normally i wont even bother trying a program out if there are no screenshots available.
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The Sixth Sense Client then downloads this information, applies the player statistics and information from your personal database [/ QUOTE ]This sounds ok. [ QUOTE ] Fish Score? Ben Ziegler and Myself have analyzed millions upon millions of hand histories, and the result of this analysis is our Fish Score equation. This equation will easily allow you to find the weakest players at any level, and sit right smack next to them. [/ QUOTE ]This doesn't. It sounds like PokerEdge. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] -Sam |
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[ QUOTE ] The Sixth Sense Client then downloads this information, applies the player statistics and information from your personal database [/ QUOTE ]This sounds ok. [ QUOTE ] Fish Score? Ben Ziegler and Myself have analyzed millions upon millions of hand histories, and the result of this analysis is our Fish Score equation. This equation will easily allow you to find the weakest players at any level, and sit right smack next to them. [/ QUOTE ]This doesn't. It sounds like PokerEdge. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] -Sam [/ QUOTE ] Well PokerEdge uses their own database, and that's why it is banned. We simply used these hands to develop the equation. All fish scoring is done client side. 100% of the statistics you see are derived from your own database. |
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Normally i wont even bother trying a program out if there are no screenshots available. It really puts me off for some reason. [/ QUOTE ] In addition to Bens, here's another. http://www.pokerdojo.net/sixthsense/screenshot.jpg |
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Well PokerEdge uses their own database, and that's why it is banned. We simply used these hands to develop the equation. All fish scoring is done client side. 100% of the statistics you see are derived from your own database. [/ QUOTE ]Ah! Cool. I agree that this sounds legal. Can I write my own fish-scoring, if I don't like your method? (Some people like to play against loose opponents, some like tight, some like either as long as they're extreme.) Do you know how much the software will cost? Since it connects to your servers for the table-lists, are we looking at subscription prices? Is this only for Party Poker? Only for PokerTracker? -Sam |
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Can I write my own fish-scoring, if I don't like your method? (Some people like to play against loose opponents, some like tight, some like either as long as they're extreme.) [/ QUOTE ] We have had the idea for an Advanced User area, with more detailed customization available. Though it isnt our first priority, it is definitely on the list of future upgrades [ QUOTE ] Do you know how much the software will cost? Since it connects to your servers for the table-lists, are we looking at subscription prices? [/ QUOTE ] After we are satisfied, we will advance the project into a registered Beta period, for which we expect to charge 29$. The beta period will be guaranteed to last at least 1 month, and it could extend further, depending on how quickly progress is made. Those who register will have full access to our server during that time. We arent even sure how advanced the program will be by the time we have a full release, so we do not yet know how much the final version will cost. But it will most likely be on a monthly basis, seeing as we will regularly be doing upgrades and maintaining the server/lists. [ QUOTE ] Is this only for Party Poker? [/ QUOTE ] At the moment, yes. As soon as we are satisfied with the overall program we will be immediately branching out to other poker sites. This is when Sixth Sense will show its true power. Thanks for taking the time to inquire [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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Nice idea this software... Too bad i already had it 6 months ago...Your software only tries to do what PokerTableScan already does. And PokerTableScan is already compatible with a lot of poker sites, and has a lot of other features... Anyway, i hope you can bring something new to the poker community, good luck with your software... Regards PTS support |
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I was just about to ask OP to convince me why I should use this product instead of PTS. |
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PTS or 6th sense? ahhh
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Hi, Nice idea this software... Too bad i already had it 6 months ago...Your software only tries to do what PokerTableScan already does. And PokerTableScan is already compatible with a lot of poker sites, and has a lot of other features... Anyway, i hope you can bring something new to the poker community, good luck with your software... Regards PTS support [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] lol I was just about to ask OP to convince me why I should use this product instead of PTS. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] PTS or 6th sense? ahhh [/ QUOTE ] There are very many unique differences in Sixth Sense that make it more effective, more reliable, and more profitable. 1) Sixth Sense retreives and serve the table list in REAL TIME from our server. When this is done client side, CPU load increases (which is bad with PT/PAHUD running too), the lobby/scanner arent very reliable, etc. Having the table list as a real time, server-run operation is one of the core fundamentals that separates Sixth Sense from anything else. 2) We have compiled and are including our own Fish Scoring equation. This is far more advanced than a simple "all players with X stats are given X score". Especially to those who dont have the time to develop an effective equation of their own. This is also a key, fundamental part of the Sixth Sense program, and I dont believe is included in PTS. 3) Faster scoring - We use a better caching system, allowing for larger databases to score tables much faster. Speed is CRUCIAL in table selection, seeing as the players seated change quickly. I will agree that the general idea is the same. But you cant claim to be the sole proprietor of an idea so general as "finding the fishiest table before you sit down". Every serious online poker player has thought of this at some point in his career. We believe that we've found the best way to do it. Sixth Sense is the result. |
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I see dead fish.
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I just downloaded this program and tried it out. I currently use PTS to table select MS/HSNL and I like it a lot. The server side table scanning of SixthSense is very cool and the program is less computer intensive and more stable than PTS. It was also easy to set up and connect my PokerTracker databases. That said, this program currently is not very good for table selection because the only way to sort tables is some (not very useful in my opinion) measure called "Fish Score." With PTS I can import my Party buddy list and then sort the tables by the number of buddies sitting at each table. I can also create a "fish" profile for anyone with a VPIP > 40 and sort the tables by number of present fish. The server side aspect of SixthSense is very cool and I think the program would be great if I were able to sort tables by other stats. With some changes I would be willing to pay to use this program!
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In short - If you only chose the top 10% of tables, as opposed to a random selection, your win rate could increase by nearly 100%! [/ QUOTE ] this statement makes me uneasy |
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I am very disappointed with pokertablescan. It is way to slow . I will give this a try and hopefully it works a bit faster.
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Same here. I dont know if im not doing something right but PTS takes at least 20 minutes to load up the tables for just one limit and i dont even attempt to have it search for buddies. Sadly pretty much worthless for me so far.
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I will agree that the general idea is the same. But you cant claim to be the sole proprietor of an idea so general as "finding the fishiest table before you sit down". Every serious online poker player has thought of this at some point in his career. We believe that we've found the best way to do it. Sixth Sense is the result. [/ QUOTE ] Hi, There is nothing wrong with your software, and i hope you make something good of it. I just wanted to say that PTS already exist. That being said, good luck with your software. Regards PTS Support |
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What cts said basicly. PTS is really slow and buggy for me so this sounds like a great idea. The thought of a server side scanning that is stable really appeals to me. I really don't care much for your fish score though, and would like to be able to specify what kind of player I want to sit with.
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Nice idea this software... Too bad i already had it 6 months ago...Your software only tries to do what PokerTableScan already does. [/ QUOTE ] OH NO YOU DI-IN'T!!! It's on now. Oh, it's on. |
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Does it need PT or will it work with PokerOffice / raw hand histories?
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I just downloaded this program and tried it out. I currently use PTS to table select MS/HSNL and I like it a lot. The server side table scanning of SixthSense is very cool and the program is less computer intensive and more stable than PTS. It was also easy to set up and connect my PokerTracker databases. That said, this program currently is not very good for table selection because the only way to sort tables is some (not very useful in my opinion) measure called "Fish Score." With PTS I can import my Party buddy list and then sort the tables by the number of buddies sitting at each table. I can also create a "fish" profile for anyone with a VPIP > 40 and sort the tables by number of present fish. The server side aspect of SixthSense is very cool and I think the program would be great if I were able to sort tables by other stats. With some changes I would be willing to pay to use this program! [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What cts said basicly. PTS is really slow and buggy for me so this sounds like a great idea. The thought of a server side scanning that is stable really appeals to me. I really don't care much for your fish score though, and would like to be able to specify what kind of player I want to sit with. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for your input guys, seriously. We've been working very hard on this program, and are extremely excited about its potential. Since so much of our initial feedback has been requesting more customizable fish scoring/buddy finding options, we've bumped that up on our agenda. On the client side, the next updates (within a day or two) you can expect to see: 1) Customizable scoring options 2) Working/usable buddy list 3) More accurate 'updated' list 4) Improved Table opening (Doubleclick a table from sixth sense, it scans through your partypoker lobby and opens the table for you! No more checking/searching!) On the server side, we are upgrading/adding scanners to cover EVERY NLHE and LHE table on Party poker. (excluding beginner tables of course) Thanks again for the input, fellas. Keep checking back, and help us build this tool the way it will work best for you. -Dan |
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Does it need PT or will it work with PokerOffice / raw hand histories? [/ QUOTE ] Currently in its alpha version, it does need PT to work. We will be adding support for PokerOffice in the near future though. It will most likely not be able to work with raw HHs at any point though. Processing massive amounts of hand histories like that takes a LOT of CPU power, and our goal is to make Sixth Sense take up as few resources as possible. When you're running a HUD, PT, multitabling software, AND the poker lobby, the last thing you need is another resource hog. Expect PokerOffice support before it goes advances to a paid version of the program. Thanks, Dan |
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is it constantly scanning the tables on the server side? If not how often. Also would you consider releasing the server software as well so you could run it on a another comp in your house and just connect to it?
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is it constantly scanning the tables on the server side? If not how often. Also would you consider releasing the server software as well so you could run it on a another comp in your house and just connect to it? [/ QUOTE ] Before today, the servers were constantly scanning, and updated about once every minute (sometimes two, depending on lag and the # of tables available) for the full list of mid-high NL and LHE tables. Today's server upgrade (I finished it literally 2 minutes before typing this response) resulted in the ENTIRE NL and LHE lists (low stakes included now too), at the same refresh rate, with more reliability. We have considered releasing the scanner software with Sixth Sense, but so far have decided against it. 1) it would take a completely dedicated CPU 2) It would be a complicated upgrade that not many would take advantage of 3) we have a LOOOONG list of upgrades that would take priority over an upgrade like this. Despite not being able to run the scanner yourself, using the list generated by our server should be just as accurate (probably moreso) than if you were operating it on your own system. Hope this answers your question [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] -Dan |
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What information is being sent from my computer to the server? How can we be assured that nothing personal is being uploaded? I'm awful weary of any program that needs to connect to a server, especially when its coming from a new/unreputable poster....
PS. Charging for a beta is beyond ridiculous and you might be the first ever to try and do so.... |
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We arent even sure how advanced the program will be by the time we have a full release, so we do not yet know how much the final version will cost. But it will most likely be on a monthly basis, seeing as we will regularly be doing upgrades and maintaining the server/lists. [/ QUOTE ] As one software company owner to another, I'd like to offer some advice. The only reason your software accesses your servers is for a table list, correct? Something that could be done on the client machine. I honestly don't see many people paying monthly for this. Make it an option. Have a subscription service for people who want to offload the processing, and have a one-time payment option for those who don't. If you don't, I believe you'll severely limit your potential number of users. |
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As one software company owner to another, I'd like to offer some advice. The only reason your software accesses your servers is for a table list, correct? Something that could be done on the client machine. I honestly don't see many people paying monthly for this. Make it an option. Have a subscription service for people who want to offload the processing, and have a one-time payment option for those who don't. If you don't, I believe you'll severely limit your potential number of users. [/ QUOTE ] One MAJOR thing that I think is being overlooked (and I probably didnt make a big enough point of it) is that the final version will support a variety of different sites. For example Say you want to search for the most profitable tables in NL100-400 on PartyPoker, Crypto, Prima, and B2B. If the scanner was client side - ALL of these lobbies would need to be opened, and would have to be scanned separately. The process would take probably 5-10 minutes, and by the time you're done - the best seats could have been taken, the best tables could be broken up, etc. A LOT happens within 5-10 minutes. Once we support server side scanning of these sites, not only will you be able to generate an entire list that is less than a few minutes old, you dont even have to have a single lobby open. You can pick your best tables over a list of sites without even logging in. I do like your suggestion for a fully-client-side version for a 1-time fee. Such a program would be much more limited in capability, and take up a decent amount of CPU load than a server-run list...but if there is a demand, we would work on such an upgrade. Thanks, Dan |
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What information is being sent from my computer to the server? How can we be assured that nothing personal is being uploaded? I'm awful weary of any program that needs to connect to a server, especially when its coming from a new/unreputable poster.... PS. Charging for a beta is beyond ridiculous and you might be the first ever to try and do so.... [/ QUOTE ] No personal information is being sent to our server whatsoever. (except for your email address when you sign up) Honestly, any software you download could be connecting to a server without you knowing it. You are correct that it is hard to trust a new poster, but I hope to gain the trust of the forums through excellent support, question+answer sessions on this thread, and upgrades based on feedback in this thread. As for the paid beta - When we release the beta, it will be when we (and our users) believe it is a good enough service to be worth a payment. And this will be when we have full PartyPoker support and most of the bugs are worked out. We could just as easily call it a full release when that day comes, because it will be a worthy product. Keep checking back. We have been very devoted to this project from the beginning, and I would like to continue to build my credibility and prove that we would not do anything to jeopardize all of the time and effort we put into Sixth Sense. Thanks for your time, Dan |
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[ QUOTE ] As one software company owner to another, I'd like to offer some advice. The only reason your software accesses your servers is for a table list, correct? Something that could be done on the client machine. I honestly don't see many people paying monthly for this. Make it an option. Have a subscription service for people who want to offload the processing, and have a one-time payment option for those who don't. If you don't, I believe you'll severely limit your potential number of users. [/ QUOTE ] One MAJOR thing that I think is being overlooked (and I probably didnt make a big enough point of it) is that the final version will support a variety of different sites. For example Say you want to search for the most profitable tables in NL100-400 on PartyPoker, Crypto, Prima, and B2B. If the scanner was client side - ALL of these lobbies would need to be opened, and would have to be scanned separately. The process would take probably 5-10 minutes, and by the time you're done - the best seats could have been taken, the best tables could be broken up, etc. A LOT happens within 5-10 minutes. Once we support server side scanning of these sites, not only will you be able to generate an entire list that is less than a few minutes old, you dont even have to have a single lobby open. You can pick your best tables over a list of sites without even logging in. I do like your suggestion for a fully-client-side version for a 1-time fee. Such a program would be much more limited in capability, and take up a decent amount of CPU load than a server-run list...but if there is a demand, we would work on such an upgrade. Thanks, Dan [/ QUOTE ] I know very little about programming, but I am also wary about anything that needs to connect to an external server from my machine...but there is a potential solution here: * First of all, I like the server-side scanning -- PTS is also very slow and buggy for me and I haven't really used it at all. * BUT, there seems like there would be a solution for those that want frequent server-side table scans without having to send any data from their machine...make it some sort of continuously-updated list that your subscribers can quickly download from a members-section of your website, which can then be imported into the client software on the user's computer. For example: at any time, a user could log into the members-only section of your website, and download the most current version of your scanned table-player list...which will be updated as often as you're able...so I'd download a file called 313pm.sxth or something proprietary like that, which your software on my machine can then import, and generate a list of tables that meet my criteria. I'm sure there were a dozen things wrong with my suggestion, but I think you see what I'm getting at...there should be a way for you to figure out how to get the updated list of players to the user's computer without the need for a direct real-time connection that will make people (myself included) uneasy. This will of course come at the expense of a little bit of speed, and it's true that 'a lot' can happen in 10 minutes, but let's not exaggerate things...if a 'good' table breaks in a few minutes, it's not a table where a player was going to make a big score anyway. |
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Very excellent points, Teddy. I really appreciate your feedback.
Your suggestion really isnt very far from what is currently happening. Our server isnt some big mean data-exchanging system that has constant access to your PC. You log in, it sends your Sixth Sense username/password, software version #, the game types you chose from the list, and that's it. This is the same amount of information that would be transferred if you were...say...logging into a members only section of a webpage [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] (minus the software version that is) One thing I would also like to stress - this isnt a constant server connection. No data transfers are made after you've logged in until you click the "Refresh" button, which requests the latest list from the server. Essentially, there is no difference between this, and hitting the Refresh button on internet explorer if we were hosting the list from a website. As for the whole 10 minutes having a big effect issue - You should try using the program, but dont refresh the table list for 10 minutes and see how accurate the results are. I play poker professionally, and have spent a large amount of time testing this tool. I can guarantee you'll see a very large difference between 2 and 10 minutes [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I think that covers everything you asked/suggested. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask. And thanks for your time - I say that in all of my posts, but I really mean it. We have put our blood and guts into this program and we REALLY appreciate all of your feedback, good and bad. -Dan |
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Our server isnt some big mean data-exchanging system that has constant access to your PC. You log in, it sends your Sixth Sense username/password, software version #, the game types you chose from the list, and that's it. This is the same amount of information that would be transferred if you were...say...logging into a members only section of a webpage [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] (minus the software version that is) One thing I would also like to stress - this isnt a constant server connection. No data transfers are made after you've logged in until you click the "Refresh" button, which requests the latest list from the server. Essentially, there is no difference between this, and hitting the Refresh button on internet explorer if we were hosting the list from a website. [/ QUOTE ] If this is the case, is there anything stopping you from making the data-exchange very transparent to the user so that computer-savvy people (which I am not) could essentially verify for the rest of us peons that that really is the only data being exchanged? I really don't know how all this works, but I'm suggesting to you that this is likely to be the biggest hangup for people (that and the monthly fee...yikes, that can really add up!), so I recommend doing everything in your power to make the 'scariest' part of the process as transparent as possible. |
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All of the data transfers are visible and available if you check the Log in Sixth Sense (ctrl+L). I guess if someone wanted to, they could sniff out the packets that are sent to and from the server to make sure we arent hiding anything.
I invite...actually, I WELCOME any of you computer savvy people to come check the program out and confirm that nothing malicious is going on. Such a confirmation would be very positive for our credibility. It seems like it would take a 3rd party unaffiliated with us to go through and confirm that Sixth Sense is legit. All we can do to earn your trust until then is continue providing support and upgrading the program. Thanks again [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] -Dan |
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I see dead fish. [/ QUOTE ] Somebody needs to write software that protects the fish... Poor fishies. Seems like two really good products but each with their own strengths and weaknesses. I guess it will be a race between PTS adding server controlled table lists vs Sixth Sense allowing more customizability / control over the fish list. Personally I hope both of your products fail because I don't like sharing my fishy friends with others [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] j/k (kind of) Good work on the programs. rvg |
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[ QUOTE ] Honestly, any software you download could be connecting to a server without you knowing it. [/ QUOTE ] WRONG [/ QUOTE ]I gotta admit, this was my first response, too. I know other software (e.g. PTS) doesn't send anything because it doesn't SEND anything; it works while firewalled from the net. Since yours will require constant back&forth with your server, I'm more concerned. If you watched my cards/passwords WHILE charging for the beta, I'd be super impressed. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] -Sam |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Honestly, any software you download could be connecting to a server without you knowing it. [/ QUOTE ] WRONG [/ QUOTE ]I gotta admit, this was my first response, too. I know other software (e.g. PTS) doesn't send anything because it doesn't SEND anything; it works while firewalled from the net. Since yours will require constant back&forth with your server, I'm more concerned. If you watched my cards/passwords WHILE charging for the beta, I'd be super impressed. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] -Sam [/ QUOTE ] The constant back and forth is limited to how many times you hit the Refresh button. Nothing is sent/received unless you hit that button. So if you want it to run in the background until you need to find another table - no data transfers whatsoever. I hope someone comes in here and does a thorough security evaluation. We're really not after your passwords and hole cards - just your sign-up cost [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] |
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Ill check it out when you run the beta. I tend to stay away from alphas until betas because they offer increased reliability and more options. Sounds like a great piece of software and i hope you get enough attention to keep developing it.
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Ill check it out when you run the beta. I tend to stay away from alphas until betas because they offer increased reliability and more options. Sounds like a great piece of software and i hope you get enough attention to keep developing it. [/ QUOTE ] Well its free now. Beta wont be. I'd suggest giving it a shot while it doesnt cost you anything. But thats just me [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] But we are moving this project forward at a VERY fast pace. This feedback has driven us to get things moving [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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