SSNL Common Spots #1
 

This is an idea I originally tried in the SnG forum, but it didn't really work out. I think it's probably better suited to SSNL. Worth a try anyway..
Basically every so often I will post a hypothetical yet fairly common situation, and see if we can get some good discussion going.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $110.65
UTG+1: $265.45
CO: $114.20
Button: $186.30
Hero: $98.50
BB: $128.15

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Button calls,

UTG+1 is a loose 60/5 callstation donkey. Button is a 15/10 multitabler and plays reasonably well postflop. BB is a 9/3 nit.

What do you do with

1) AJo
2) A4o
3) K5s
4) 99
5) 76s
6) J8o
7) 73o

Re: SSNL Common Spots #1
 

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This is an idea I originally tried in the SnG forum, but it didn't really work out. I think it's probably better suited to SSNL. Worth a try anyway..
Basically every so often I will post a hypothetical yet fairly common situation, and see if we can get some good discussion going.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $110.65
UTG+1: $265.45
CO: $114.20
Button: $186.30
Hero: $98.50
BB: $128.15

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Button calls,

UTG+1 is a loose 60/5 callstation donkey. Button is a 15/10 multitabler and plays reasonably well postflop. BB is a 9/3 nit.

What do you do with

1) AJo
2) A4o
3) K5s
4) 99
5) 76s
6) J8o
7) 73o

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1) Raise
2) Fold
3) Complete
4) Raise
5) Complete (raise sometimes)
6) Fold
7) Fold.

Re: SSNL Common Spots #1
 

1) Raise or complete (opponent dependent)
2) Fold
3) Fold
4) Raise
5) Complete
6) Fold
7) Fold

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1) AJo - Raise
2) A4o - Raise or Fold
3) K5s - Complete or Fold
4) 99 - Raise
5) 76s - Complete
6) J8o - Fold
7) 73o - Fold

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1)raise
2)fold
3)fold
4)raise
5)complete
6)fold
7)fold

oh, haha, didnt realize my answers were same as other two, sorry if i am no help

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1) If table feels right I sometimes try to steal/isolate 60/5 with a 6-8BB raise. Otherwise limp.
2) Fold
3) Fold/Limp
4) Limp
5) Limp/Fold (I hate SCs)
6) Fold
7) Fold


The Limp/fold might be decided by how busy I am at other tables when 8 tabling. If I have action on two tables I usually fold them.

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you limp 99? i can't limp 99+

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1) Raise
2) Fold
3) Complete
4) Raise
5) Raise some, Complete some. Probably 25/75 mix or so.
6) Fold
7) Fold

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(I hate SCs)

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You should learn to love them because, like broccoli, they are good for you.

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3)fold


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i didnt see they were sooooted, i complete that one as well

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I can't get raising to be more profitable for me. Have experimented and reviewed my database over and over. Though I am extremely tight (~13/5/2), people don't respect my C-bets. On the other hand are my double barrel C-bets effective but I hate variance so I call here. It might still be a medium size pot when 60/5 connects with his Axs on a 822 rainbow flop. Hate to play raised 99 on a Jxx flop, but thats me and something I know I have to deal with someday.

Re: SSNL Common Spots #1
 

Grunch

1) AJo - raise
2) A4o - complete
3) K5s - complete
4) 99 - raise
5) 76s - complete
6) J8o - fold
7) 73o - fold

Re: SSNL Common Spots #1
 

Can anyone show me winning stats with SC's for a decent sample size? (dont mean this to sound like an [censored])
I find them often overflushed in big pots.
The straights are nice but fragile.

I admit that my postflop skills are mediocre...

Re: SSNL Common Spots #1
 

1) AJo - raise
2) A4o - fold
3) K5s - fold
4) 99 - raise
5) 76s - fold, maybe complete
6) J8o - fold
7) 73o - fold

I'm surprised at the number of people who are completing. I really dislike ending up OOP, so I tend to be nearly as tight from the SB as from UTG.

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Anyone want to comment on Button's range here? I think a limp on the button from a 15/10 player is pretty unusual. I usually think it is a implied odds hand or an attempt to hide something big. Is this a reasonable range: AA,TT-22,A2s+,K8s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T8s+,97s+,86s+,75s+,65s,54s

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1) Raise
2) Fold
3) Complete
4) Raise (sometimes limp)
5) Complete
6) Fold
7) Fold.

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $110.65
UTG+1: $265.45
CO: $114.20
Button: $186.30
Hero: $98.50
BB: $128.15

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Button calls,

UTG+1 is a loose 60/5 callstation donkey. Button is a 15/10 multitabler and plays reasonably well postflop. BB is a 9/3 nit.

What do you do with

1) AJo - Raise
2) A4o - Fold
3) K5s - Call
4) 99 - Raise
5) 76s - Call
6) J8o - Fold
7) 73o - Fold


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Re: SSNL Common Spots #1
 

1) AJo - Raise sometimes complete
2) A4o - Fold
3) K5s - Fold sometimes complete
4) 99 - Raise
5) 76s - Complete
6) J8o - Fold
7) 73o - Fold

Re: SSNL Common Spots #1
 

OK, so the vast majority think 99 is a raise. What is the smallest pair you guys would raise with here?

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Why are you guys raising AJo? Seems like a big time spew to me.

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you limp 99? i can't limp 99+

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from that position with limpers you can, at least 99, maybe TT

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Why are you guys raising AJo? Seems like a big time spew to me.

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AJo is a limped pot is most likely the best hand. Raise it for value. It's easy to get away from post flop.

Re: SSNL Common Spots #1
 

To steal/isolate 60/5.

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1) AJo - Raise
2) A4o - Fold
3) K5s - Complete
4) 99 - Raise
5) 76s - Complete/Fold
6) J8o - Fold
7) 73o - Fold

Re: SSNL Common Spots #1
 

I will be out of position and I think btn has an implied odds type of hand while I will be OOP...I want him to start paying while I'm ahead and thus reduce both his positional advantage and my negative implied odds later. I am way ahead of the loose players range...raising here is just for value/FE.

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Why are you guys raising AJo? Seems like a big time spew to me.

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AJo is a limped pot is most likely the best hand. Raise it for value. It's easy to get away from post flop.

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Unless you're at a table of weak tighties who are going to let you buy it postflop, you're just making it HARDER to play. I'd rather raise 72o than AJo, ESPECIALLY with button in the hand.

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1) Complete
2) Fold
3) Fold
4) Raise
5) Complete
6) Fold
7) Fold

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Why are you guys raising AJo? Seems like a big time spew to me.

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people tend not to limp AQ or AK, so on A high flop you are probably solid, so it goes up a lot in value from a limped pot

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1) Raise or complete (opponent dependent)
2) Fold
3) Fold
4) Raise
5) Complete
6) Fold
7) Fold

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Why are you guys raising AJo? Seems like a big time spew to me.

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AJo is a limped pot is most likely the best hand. Raise it for value. It's easy to get away from post flop.

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Unless you're at a table of weak tighties who are going to let you buy it postflop, you're just making it HARDER to play.

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So the flop comes J 6 2. Congratulations, you let the BB flop 2-pair with his 6-2. How is it incorrect to put money in the pot when you (most likely) have the best hand? Thin the field and play some poker.

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Can some of you guys explain the reason for raising 67s here? I really don't get it.

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Can some of you guys explain the reason for raising 67s here? I really don't get it.

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To vary your play. It is clearly not standard. Also, when you hit, your hand is well-disguised. It is also good for shania when you show it down.

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Grunching

1) AJo - raise
2) A4o - fold
3) K5s - fold
4) 99 - raise
5) 76s - raise
6) J8o - fold
7) 73o - fold

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Can some of you guys explain the reason for raising 67s here? I really don't get it.

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To vary your play. It is clearly not standard. Also, when you hit, your hand is well-disguised. It is also good for shania when you show it down.

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I don't believe that these perks make up for putting in excess chips with a rather weak hand OOP. Varying your play/shania just aren't big factors at 100NL and people will generally happily call you down even if you all but turn your hand face-up.

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Why are you guys raising AJo? Seems like a big time spew to me.

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AJo is a limped pot is most likely the best hand. Raise it for value. It's easy to get away from post flop.

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My thinking had been, "Well, I've got a marginal hand OOP that probably won't want a big pot. I'll limp and see what happens as well as keeping the pot small."

Is this completely out of line?

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Why are you guys raising AJo? Seems like a big time spew to me.

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AJo is a limped pot is most likely the best hand. Raise it for value. It's easy to get away from post flop.

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My thinking had been, "Well, I've got a marginal hand OOP that probably won't want a big pot. I'll limp and see what happens as well as keeping the pot small."

Is this completely out of line?

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No. Limping here is perfectly reasonable.

BTW your avatar is awesome.

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Do others agree with this generalization: "An OOP PFR reduces villain's positional advantage"?

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Grunch

1) AJo - call
Looking to play poker here.

2) A4o - fold
3) K5s - fold
Not looking to player either of these two OOP especially with the TAG having position.

4) 99 - raise
I play pocket pairs raising most every time; especially since no aggression has been shown.

5) 76s - call
If I somewhat connect with the flop I can check and see how the action plays out; if not I can get away cheap.

6) J8o - fold
7) 73o - fold
No thanks.

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Do others agree with this generalization: "An OOP PFR reduces villain's positional advantage"?

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Well the only way this can be true is if you get it all in preflop. I think the point is that regardless of position, the one who takes the initiative in the hand has the best chance to take it down, whether that be a preflop raise or a raise or lead of a bet post-flop.

Why do you think so many preflop raises and CBets take down pots? Taking the lead makes it possible.

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Why are you guys raising AJo? Seems like a big time spew to me.

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AJo is a limped pot is most likely the best hand. Raise it for value. It's easy to get away from post flop.

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My thinking had been, "Well, I've got a marginal hand OOP that probably won't want a big pot. I'll limp and see what happens as well as keeping the pot small."

Is this completely out of line?

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No. Limping here is perfectly reasonable.

BTW your avatar is awesome.

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I raise AJo here because I am playing this for high card value, and looking to hit top pair or cbet if i don't. I don't want a bunch of people in the hand, as top pair goes down in value w/ more players. And if I'm cbeting, I want the least amount of people possible.

Am I way off here?