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http://cardplayer.com/poker_news/new...lass=PokerNews

is this something we should reaallly worry about? im scared shitless. should i start withdrawing a major amount of my money from online now?

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It is a threat, however no need to panic, the bill stil must be voted on by the Senate, then it goes through like the house-senate mesh the bills meeting, then the President has to sign it, etc.

You can bail out all your money (if you so choose...) much later in the process.

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No you should be lobbying your senator like the rest of us and get everyone you know to do it and get this anti gaming crap shut down.

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You just have to switch to horseracing. There is an exemption in the bill for horseracing because I guess the Republicans aren't worried about moral corruption if you use the internet to bet $5000 dollars on Whippity Doo to win the 8th race today, or bet $5000 on a quinella. But - if you want to play .50 cent no limit hold em on the internet - well then you are a dangerous criminal and should be put in jail.

So when is the Sklansky Theory of Horse Racing book coming out? I think I will really need to buy it because I've never bet on horses on the internet before, but that's what the congress says I can do so I need to learn about it.

And when is the Party horse racing site coming out? Is their rakeback available? Please pm me with serious, reliable offers. Thankyou.

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Umm, so how did the majority of Democrats vote on this issue?

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they also voted against it, just by a slightly narrower margin. they were still 2:1 in favor of the bill.

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Does anyone have a link to the C-Span debate? (video)

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The House w/ the current republican majority regularly use a statement like this with retarded bills that never get anywhere.
"Rep. Goodlatte said the bill would help stop the “moral decline” that he claims is now occurring in America."
online gambling is just a new term being added to the priors...gay marriage, gay adoption, sodomy, flag burning, abortion, stem cell research etc.

I'll be shocked if this passes the Senate

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I bet that is the first time anyone has ever asked that in the zoo before.

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i am from michigan, drunk, and this country blows, please link me to the email adress where I can send hate mail. TY

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Why don't we find out if it's something you should be afraid of by getting a tradesports prop on it?

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Yes, but "Moral Decline" does not include betting on horse racing or lotteries on the internet!! The hypicrosy behind this political mush is disgusting. I guess this is how it was in the Prohibition era. I thought we were past that, but I guess not.

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I bet that is the first time anyone has ever asked that in the zoo before.

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You took the time to write that? Thanks, buddy!

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You took the time to write that? Thanks, buddy!

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You took the time to write that? Thanks, buddy!

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Okay this whole thing is absurd. We have men and women giving their lives to push "freedom" in some other country that no one gives a [censored] about while the citizens in America are retreating their freedoms one by one. I don't know if you guys know, but here in New Jersey the state government raised the cigerette smoking age from 18 to 19 this year (wow what a difference) but couldn't pass a state budget on time. They also banned smoking in public bars and restuarants. And now the feds want to ban online "gambling" and by gambling they mean poker because horse betting and online lotteries must be morally superior and not be refered to as "gambling." I feel like everyday I live in this country its something else. I'm 21 and grew up at the end of the cold war and went through the "America is the best!" brainwash. Now I sit back and I wonder what freedoms do I actually have? Any at all? And everyday women's rights are being attacked, freedom of speach through censorship, and now something as harmless as online poker gets attacked. HEY YOU RIGHT WING S.O.B'S: IS LIBERTY, FREEDOM, AND THE RIGHT TO DO AS ONE PLEASES AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HARM OTHERS REALLY A MORAL DECLINE? OR IS DEPRIVING A WHOLE NATION OF SUCH FREEDOM AND LIBERTY AND CHOICE THE REAL MORAL DECLINE?

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tl; dr

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How does that tune go again


'The land of the FREE' yeah free to do what we told...

Meanwhile on the otherside of town another old lady gets attacked...

Whats more important spending time and resources on these overpaid Political Idiots to stop people doing what they choose to do with THEIR money in THEIR TIME or making the country a safe place to live...

Prohibtion happened before it didnt work it created crime ...wake up and smell the coffee cause people wont stop playing ...

what they going to do build another 40 jails and import 2 million chinese immagrant workers to take the place of decent citizens villafied for doing something that doesnt physically hurt anyone

Do poker players go into chat rooms and force others to come sit down and lose..No people play because they have chosen to do so


WE all know its a taxation issue and a religious crusade by some over zealous Baptists who want to save our soles.

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Okay this whole thing is absurd. We have men and women giving their lives to push "freedom" in some other country that no one gives a [censored] about while the citizens in America are retreating their freedoms one by one. .... Now I sit back and I wonder what freedoms do I actually have? Any at all?

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You have the right to buy guns.

From an outsider's point of view there are a number of things that amuse me about US politics (please don't be offended our lot are just as bad):-
(i) in general Republicans believe in individual freedom, small government etc...but are happy to intervene in your use of the internet.
(ii) on the other hand gun crime is a serious issue, but even sensible attempts to restrict or control gun sales are seen as attacks against inalienable rights.
(iii) at least in some states, 24 hour casinos employing every psychological tactic to part you with your money are allowed.

Seems to me that as long as the silent majority just shrug their shoulders, you are going to get pushed around by the extremists. They say you get the politicians you deserve so do something about it. You might even try voting.

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Come to Europe [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

In my country, I'm not allowed to buy, possess or wear a gun (unless I can prove that I have a really good reason to do so), but at least I may gamble online as I please.

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Okay this whole thing is absurd. We have men and women giving their lives to push "freedom" in some other country that no one gives a [censored] about while the citizens in America are retreating their freedoms one by one. I don't know if you guys know, but here in New Jersey the state government raised the cigerette smoking age from 18 to 19 this year (wow what a difference) but couldn't pass a state budget on time. They also banned smoking in public bars and restuarants. And now the feds want to ban online "gambling" and by gambling they mean poker because horse betting and online lotteries must be morally superior and not be refered to as "gambling." I feel like everyday I live in this country its something else. I'm 21 and grew up at the end of the cold war and went through the "America is the best!" brainwash. Now I sit back and I wonder what freedoms do I actually have? Any at all? And everyday women's rights are being attacked, freedom of speach through censorship, and now something as harmless as online poker gets attacked. HEY YOU RIGHT WING S.O.B'S: IS LIBERTY, FREEDOM, AND THE RIGHT TO DO AS ONE PLEASES AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HARM OTHERS REALLY A MORAL DECLINE? OR IS DEPRIVING A WHOLE NATION OF SUCH FREEDOM AND LIBERTY AND CHOICE THE REAL MORAL DECLINE?

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Don't be angry at right wing sob's, be angry at big government. The libertarian party cares about your freedom much more than either of the big 2 parties...

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hahaha They do not believe in small government. The libertarian party believes in small government. 2% smaller than the huge democratic government is not small, it is still huge.

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This all probably started because some [censored] donkey in the House of Reps probably got rivered on a party NL table and decided, hey, Why dont i just rally all my other republicans together and shut down online poker!

You [censored] NIT [censored]!

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Add the words "...for Americans" to end of thread title please.

Mad bloody country.

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Party Gaming's share price rose today...

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is this something we should reaallly worry about? im scared shitless. should i start withdrawing a major amount of my money from online now?

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The bill won't stop you from gambling online if you really want to. You won't get thrown in jail for gambling online if this bill passes. Now, it will certainly hurt the quality of the games (either for quite some time or permanently), but it won't "end online poker" at all. It will be a bigger pain in the neck to get money in and out of the sites, but it won't be impossible. There are many other countries besides America, so the games won't die, but they will certainly decrease in quality/numbers.

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is this something we should reaallly worry about? im scared shitless. should i start withdrawing a major amount of my money from online now?

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The bill won't stop you from gambling online if you really want to. You won't get thrown in jail for gambling online if this bill passes. Now, it will certainly hurt the quality of the games (either for quite some time or permanently), but it won't "end online poker" at all. It will be a bigger pain in the neck to get money in and out of the sites, but it won't be impossible. There are many other countries besides America, so the games won't die, but they will certainly decrease in quality/numbers.

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And we want to quality of games to improve. That means we want americans with large disposable incomes to play online poker as much as possible. We want them to see lots of advertising and we want it to be easy for them to open accounts and to get money there. No hurdles. No stigma. Easy access. Who cares if dedicated players can still play? Loose action is what we want. Fish. Casual players. Gamblers.

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I've heard the argument that this is to stop those people with no self control from spirraling into debt from the evil temptation of "gambling". However, more people get into serious debt simply by spending more than they earn - perhaps they should ban credit card companies processing transactions from retail outlets.

If they really want to stop addiction to online poker, there is a simpler solution - make everyone play on Paradise or Pacific software.

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is this something we should reaallly worry about? im scared shitless. should i start withdrawing a major amount of my money from online now?

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The bill won't stop you from gambling online if you really want to. You won't get thrown in jail for gambling online if this bill passes. Now, it will certainly hurt the quality of the games (either for quite some time or permanently), but it won't "end online poker" at all. It will be a bigger pain in the neck to get money in and out of the sites, but it won't be impossible. There are many other countries besides America, so the games won't die, but they will certainly decrease in quality/numbers.

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And we want to quality of games to improve. That means we want americans with large disposable incomes to play online poker as much as possible. We want them to see lots of advertising and we want it to be easy for them to open accounts and to get money there. No hurdles. No stigma. Easy access. Who cares if dedicated players can still play? Loose action is what we want. Fish. Casual players. Gamblers.

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Yep. Absolutely. But there will still be fish from other countries and gambling addicts around that will make the games profitable imo. However, will they be nearly as good if this bill pasts? Of course not. Do I want the bill to pass? No way. But the bill certainly won't "end online poker" is my main point.

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Could somebody provide a link to how all the congresspeople voted? I've been poking around but can't figure it out.

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This bill has me worried, only in that they're going after US folks who work in the poker industry it looks like.

Better say my goodbyes to the family now. =)

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sure: http://clerk.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote....rollnumber=363

you can search out all / any bill in Congress via that site and look at how each Congresscritter (or in this case, most of those asshats) voted...

I ran for Congress in 2004 actually, unfortunately I didn't win (about as close to winning as I am as a poker player, so way far away). Too bad because I'd be one the loudest opponents of this horrendous legislation.

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I think what it comes down to when ya'll were talking about the hippocracy of certain things being legal (guns, horseracing) comes down to the fact that politicians are essentially puppets of the hands that gave them money (and lots of it) to campaign and get in to office. This turns politicians into nothing more than official lobbyists for the big corporations that put them in office. I think campaign finance reform is one of the things our country desperately needs to make politics what they should be in a democracy- a representation of the citizens that elected you to office.

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Well, I'm happy to see that my Congressperson Barbara Lee took the unpopular yet correct stand yet again! (she was the only one that voted against sending troops to Iraq)

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Until I read the Slate article about that self-proclaimed "professional poker player" who gambled away his entire bankroll and then went through nearly all of the family's untouchable rainy day reserves, I would have been 100% dead set against this bill - couldn't see the other side. Now, I must admit that I find myself thinking about the damage that is done to families by problem gamblers. I'm no longer so sure that my position is as well-founded as I once believed it to be.

There are definitely real innocent victims out there, but I still feel that the greater good is served by the US government staying out of it. But I feel for innocent victims such as the family in the Slate article.

I'm still a regular internet player, but I don't feel very good about it right now.

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i cant imagine nobody in the senate along the way will realize they cant regulate ones use of the internet!!! this probably will not go throught the senate..... i hope.

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lol @ the daily shows coverage of this bill

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Yes, but "Moral Decline" does not include betting on horse racing or lotteries on the internet!! The hypicrosy behind this political mush is disgusting. I guess this is how it was in the Prohibition era. I thought we were past that, but I guess not.

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True, true, but I guess we should be glad it works this way. The genius of the founding fathers was that they made it so difficult to get anything done, that you really need an overwhelming majority on any given issue before you can effectively legislate against it. If you just have a small majority, you end up with loopholes that you can't close. As far as the poker bill goes, we should not only be opposing it, but should also support any efforts to put loopholes in it like the horse racing/lotteries etc. The more loopholes the better. If this passes I guess the way it will work out is Party sets up a horse-racing afiiliate, you deposit your money there and then transfer it to the poker affiliate; reverse for withdrawals.

I read somewhere that prohibition had an exemption in it for medicine, and soon patent medicines with 99% alcohol content became all the rage. Then they passed another law to limit legal alcohol content in medicines, but they couldn't get it set any lower than 40%, and that was still enough to get hooked on. It also created a demand for 'medicine' with a little more oomph in it, so they mixed in some opium-based and cocaine-based additives to the 40% alcohol. In the end, when they cancelled prohibition, there were all these old ladies vehemently condemning society, who were addicted to patent cough medicines with 40% alcohol and laced with opium and cocaine.

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Sigh, this has been posted in so many places. The bill, even if it does pass, seriously does not change anything. Aside from scaring some fish, and apparently a bunch of 2p2ers, all it does is disallow credit cards and and other electronic transfers from dealing with our poker sites. They CANNOT stop you from using neteller, and from there your money can still go into a poker site just as it always has. The vast majority of credit cards already don't allow you to deal with those gambling sites, so there won't be any noticeable effect. The heralding of this being a "ban on online gambling" is absolutely absurd. They wouldn't even be able to stop poker sites from advertising on television, given that those sites offer free poker, which is perfectly legal.

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stupid question: if this bill passes, does it mean that americans cant play online poker or that you cant play online poker while in america? thanks.

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1. If it were to become law exactly as written, it would legally prohibit using U.S. credit cards and similar methods to fund accounts. As we all know, that already is pretty much the case.


2. It cannot become law without the Senate, which has shown no interest in this matter, is about to go on vacation, and has bona fide important business to deal with.

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From cardplayer. This bill is seriously causing way too much drama for what it is.