TT on flushed board
 

Villian is 24/2/3.2 over about 50 hands. Haven't SEEN anything out of line, but it's only been a few orbits.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (9 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero ???

Re: TT on flushed board
 

I c/c there. The flop cap does not necessarily indicate that he's on a flush draw.

If you make your straight on the river, I'd go ahead and b/c.

Re: TT on flushed board
 

I don't think I like the flop three-bet.

Re: TT on flushed board
 

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I don't think I like the flop three-bet.

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I'm not questioning your judgment, but I'd like to hear why. Do you plan raising a safe card, showing down, or looking to improve?

Re: TT on flushed board
 

brett:
Are we waiting for the turn since since a variety of cards kill our hand? i.e. in this situation, K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is an overcard that puts the flush out there.

Turn and river:
Check/call down?

Re: TT on flushed board
 

villian does not have JJ+ per PF cal
Two pair is a strong possibility. Against two pair, we have plenty of outs. I do not think leading the turn will induce two pair to fold, so against that, we should check call.
FD , FD + pair (now made flush) is possible. A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], etc are just as possible.
SD + pair: against this we want to bet-3bet. perhaps 76 or AT.
Against a set, we want to check call as we have outs.

In all, it seems like villian has a strong draw or a made hand that won't fold, so we should not lead. Were getting 5:1 on a call down and 10:1 to see the river.

Check call turn, check fold river UI

Re: TT on flushed board
 

i dont like it one bit

Re: TT on flushed board
 

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Check call turn, check fold river UI

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This was the line I took, and was worried it was a little weak. I'm still curious about the flop line..., it sounds like I was a little out of line.

Re: TT on flushed board
 

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i dont like it one bit

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you should often back that up with reasoning and what/who's idea you dont like...

but as far as the hand is concerned, i agree with mr.harding, i thinkt he flop 3-bet is fine, if he doesn't have a flush draw, you have more than enough equity to cap

the turn is a check/call, the river is a check/fold UI, but i will often make the mistake of calling..

good hand

Re: TT on flushed board
 

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Check call turn, check fold river UI

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This was the line I took, and was worried it was a little weak. I'm still curious about the flop line..., it sounds like I was a little out of line.

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I like the flop play.

Re: TT on flushed board
 

you have to 3 bet the flop, when capped, id start c/c and fold ui on the river. (i believe someone already put this line out there, but the screen is blurry do to 42 hours of being awake, so i cant find a quote.)

Re: TT on flushed board
 

I am not 3 betting that flop. Flush draw is going nowhere and a straight is going to cap even the losing end. you can hit your straight and still lose to flush draw. This is too dangerous.

Re: TT on flushed board
 

In this situation I like the check fold on the turn b/c he either flopped the joint or hit the diamond draw on the turn with something like Ad7d etc. Even if he has a set or two pair you are drawing thin on the river and even by some miracle that you are ahead right now there are no so many redraws against you that you're going to have to dodge a ton of bullets. Which if you are PHIL then you should be ok b/c "Honey, I can dodge bullets, baby!"

Re: TT on flushed board
 

3 betting is fine.

An legitmate alternative line to not 3 betting involves calling the raise with the intention of donking most turns and sometimes check raising.

This is standard avoiding the free card play, mixing your opponent up, and not simple stuff you can memorize. The only cards I really think about check/folding are Ad and 7d.