How much value lost by not having PAHUD?
 

I got a new computer, got my PT working and PAHUD, but then something corrupted a file and i had to get everything wiped and start over. i havent reloaded either programs yet because im thinking PT caused the corrupt file because i wasnt compacting the databases, but it could have been something else too... Now my question is, to people that use PAHUD, did it add ALOT to your game/results or is it just nice for certain situations?

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IMO anything that can make even the slightest +EV change in play is well worth it.

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didnt add a ton to my game, but nice to know who folds to continuation bets, and who calls most of them. its also nice when u are 4+ tabling and u are able to see who the maniacs are right away.

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IMO anything that can make even the slightest +EV change in play is well worth it.

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I agree completely, but I am not sure what stats I should display, and how exactly they are to e deciphered(although I guess the more I use it, the more familiar I will become... Any pointers would be nice

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i believe its an advantage to have but not a necessity if you are an experienced multi tabler. i find it to be a good tool but some players dont like to use it at all.

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If you multi-table, it is certainly worth more than it costs.

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IMO anything that can make even the slightest +EV change in play is well worth it.

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If the stats are used properly and you do in fact make a +EV change in play, and you do not mis-use the stats to make even greater -EV plays, then it is fine. Only get it if you know how to interpret relavent stats and use them properly.

By relavent stats I mean stats that have any significance. If you only have 50 hands on a player, his stats are useless. If you have 2000 hands on another player but 95% of them are from level 1, dont count on his stats on the bubble.

-Tickner

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I dont use it, might start, prob not.

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If you only have 50 hands on a player, his stats are useless.

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This is untrue. I can usually get a decent minimal read on everyone at the table in about an orbitt and have a reasonable profile by 50 hands. Is it 100% accurate? No. Is it good enough to inform many decisions? Absolutely.

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If you only have 50 hands on a player, his stats are useless.

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This is untrue. I can usually get a decent minimal read on everyone at the table in about an orbitt and have a reasonable profile by 50 hands. Is it 100% accurate? No. Is it good enough to inform many decisions? Absolutely.

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I would agree with this. You can usually get a good idea of how they play after an orbit or 2. I think it's just important not to base everything on the stats with such a small sample size. But PAHUD has definetly been +EV for me even with the generally small amount of data you get on opponents at the lower levels.

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What do you guys think about PAHUD when it comes to extremely low-level buy-ins?

75% of the players dont have a clue what theyre doing, but PAHUD makes it very fast apparant who the other 25% are. This is actually the only advantage I can account.

What do you think?

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What do you guys think about PAHUD when it comes to extremely low-level buy-ins?

75% of the players dont have a clue what theyre doing, but PAHUD makes it very fast apparant who the other 25% are. This is actually the only advantage I can account.

What do you think?

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I wouldn't use it at the $1.10-$11 (what do you mean by extremely low?) I would just learn proper bubble play, stay tight early, and assume everyone's a donkey until they show otherwise. Then move up limits in a month or so.

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What do you guys think about PAHUD when it comes to extremely low-level buy-ins?

75% of the players dont have a clue what theyre doing, but PAHUD makes it very fast apparant who the other 25% are. This is actually the only advantage I can account.

What do you think?

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i use it at low buy ins and again, works for me. distinguishes calling stations for crazy raisers when youre 8 tabling or whatever. it still helps some but again im sure its not NECESSARY by any means to be successful, its more of a comfort and base knowledge thing than anything else.

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If you only have 50 hands on a player, his stats are useless.

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This is untrue. I can usually get a decent minimal read on everyone at the table in about an orbitt and have a reasonable profile by 50 hands. Is it 100% accurate? No. Is it good enough to inform many decisions? Absolutely.

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The thing is that the information you get by watching somebody play for an orbit can be quite a bit different than just the PT stats. If I see somebody pay off three streets with TPMK a few hands in, that tells me something a lot more specific than how many hands they've been playing. Over a small chunk of hands, the raw PT stats aren't likely to be too informative.

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If you only have 50 hands on a player, his stats are useless.

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This is untrue. I can usually get a decent minimal read on everyone at the table in about an orbitt and have a reasonable profile by 50 hands. Is it 100% accurate? No. Is it good enough to inform many decisions? Absolutely.

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The thing is that the information you get by watching somebody play for an orbit can be quite a bit different than just the PT stats. If I see somebody pay off three streets with TPMK a few hands in, that tells me something a lot more specific than how many hands they've been playing. Over a small chunk of hands, the raw PT stats aren't likely to be too informative.

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i agree, which is why players should be using both. some use HUD as a crutch and dont take notes/watch the action and it hurts their game. i think successfully using the tool would be finding a medium, and this is what i try to do.