K-Qs calling Ace high flop
 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 (t2610)
MP2 (t2755)
CO :#A500AF(Villian 1)/ (t3720)
Button (t1640)
Hero (t3925)
BB :#A500AF(Villian 2)/ (t8480)
UTG (t7371)
UTG+1 (t8430)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, CO :#A500AF(Villian 1)/ calls t200, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB :#A500AF(Villian 2)/ checks.

Flop: (t600) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, Villian 2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Villian 1 bets t800</font>, Hero calls t800, Villian 2 folds.

* It took me a good minute to make this call... once I thought about Villian 1 limping preflop the possibility of him just having a SC or Small PP really entered my mind and I figured I might still have the best hand.

Turn: (t2200) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Villian 1 checks.

* on the turn he checks behind me which makes me think maybe I did bust him with his hand in the cookie jar trying to steal

River: (t2200) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t1400</font>, Villian 1 calls t1400.

Final Pot: t5000

On the river I decided to make a bet (I guess this is referred to as a blocking bet) that's what I was hoping for, that they couldn't call because I figured it was the only way I win the pot.

Was this overthinking or just didn't work against my opponent?

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In all honesty, with an M of 13 this kind of move is just silly IMHO. This is not the time to get fancy. Very easy check/fold on flop.

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M of 13?

the limp really baffled me, this is the point in the tournament where it's all in or fold for short stacks the blinds are fairly precious I would of figured he wouldn't be wasting them on A-rag...

I see your point about getting fancy, but if you look at it from his standpoint, what the heck was he doing in this hand?

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I'm going to make a suggestion here...stop playing for about 2 days and read HOH 1 &amp; 2.

Check/fold flop = standard

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Smokey, you are right I need to do ALOT of reading, I've always been lazy about that. I've read like 1/2 of HOH 1, but a reread is in order...

however I'm going to keep playing because I'm playing for $11 and $22 tournaments I don't care about that, I make good money, I mostly want to get my feel back. In February I made the final table of two $55 tourneys on Pstars. Back than I could fold JJ preflop and it was right to do so (I only that because some other guy called with 88 and saw QQ)

My feel is off for the game and I need to get that back, only one way, by playing.

I am going to take your advice though and stop for tonight and read

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M = your stack/ BB + SB + antes. It's essentially a measure of how many orbits you can survive before being blinded out. You need to read HoH 2 to get a grip of this concept. It's VERY important and teaches you how to change gears when your M reach different levels.

Enough of that. Why don't you just raise and punish his pathetic limp? He'll probably fold if you make it 800. The way you played it, you must fold when he bets the flop. Don't try to overthink this situation.

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Rocco, point taken, agreed

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You think you're good because you folded jacks preflop once? And you don't need to brag about two final tables you made, nobody is impressed and nobody cares. It means nothing. As far as the hand goes, I agree with everyone else. I think if you're going to be as successful as you can be, you need to reevaluate the way you think about and measure poker success, as well as intensively study more poker literature.

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Maybe you misinterrepted what I said...

I was a better player 3 months ago in March. To illustrate someone who is 5-4 is not tall, but they are taller than someone who is only 5-1.

If I put $55 into a tournament tonight I would expect to lose, I would need a lot of "help" to even have a chance. Because my feel for the game is gone. Over the last month I've been getting some of it back. That's all I was saying to Smokey is that I gotta read, ABSOLUTELY, but also play to get the feel back.

Folding JJ preflop maybe no big deal to you, but if the other guy calls with 88 and the first guy shows QQ, doesn't mean that my "feel" for the game exactly sucked back than did it? Maybe it's mere coincidence, but I also made 2 final tables that month, and maybe that doesn't mean much either, but back than I had a little gusto, and I'm just trying to recapture that. I think you have to have it to be a winning player

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raise preflop here if you think is limping and you think you are ahead.
Otherwise is a check fold at the flop.

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Taking a break is a great idea. Sounds to me like you've kinda let the game not be fun. I took a month off and it took me a month to realize that I did let the fun go out of the game. Oh yeah, I've read HOH Vol. 1 TWICE. And I'm reading it again. I like is 100x better than SuperSystem, and I learn something new EVERYTIME.

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* It took me a good minute to make this call... once I thought about Villian 1 limping preflop the possibility of him just having a SC or Small PP really entered my mind and I figured I might still have the best hand.


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I'm sure someone has pointed this out by now, but a small pocket pair beats King high.

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Horribly played by the way.

First - If you thought you could float him and take it away, then you should be betting the turn (shouldn't be getting too fancy with this stack size though).

Second - this river bet is not a blocking bet, this is a dark tunnel bluff. A blocking bet is a small bet used to get to showdown cheaply (it's supposed to keep opponent from throwing a big bet out there that you can't call, your bet was not smallish). You should not be wanting to get to showdown cheaply. If you are bluffing (you are), then you should be trying to force him out of the pot (not a good idea here at the river and stack size and board and previous action to this point.....). If you have a hand with showdown value (you don't), then you would throw out a blocking bet for the reason stated above, to get to showdown chealy.

Why would you ever again play a hand this way?

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the only way you win this hand is if you check and call the river.

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There are some parts I like in that section and some I hate. One thing I hate is he gives practically no examples on how to adjust your play when going down in levels (except for folding low pairs and connectors in EP and to raises for yellow zones etc...) But what about the other hands? He doesn't say anything about that, I only hope volume 3 has a few problems with this. He does give an example about someone opening a pot from UTG w/ AT saying that player "knows what he's doing." And I think that can be very wrong even if you do not have a "healthy" chip stack. He talked about this in the orange zone where people will just play back at you (you have like 15 big blinds in this spot) and you will have to fold. I learned WAY more from these forums then I did from HOH I or II.