who makes just min. wage?
 

Just wondering, because I have never met anyone who makes only min. wage. I live in the midwest, where wages are lower than on the coasts. Here are some jobs that I know pay more than min. wage.

Dishwasher - I made $8/hour in 1999 doing this.
McDonalds - My cousin made between $8 and $9 doing this before he quit a few months ago.
Grocery Store - My brother made $5.25 in 1997 when he was 15 when min. wage was 4.25.

Just wondering who out there is making min. wage. I'm not saying they don't exist. I'd just like to know who.

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I start my employees out at $9.00 an hour with no experience.

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I have had 3 different jobs that paid me minimum wage.

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I have had 3 different jobs that paid me minimum wage.

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And what were they?

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Just wondering, because I have never met anyone who makes only min. wage. I live in the midwest, where wages are lower than on the coasts. Here are some jobs that I know pay more than min. wage.

Dishwasher - I made $8/hour in 1999 doing this.
McDonalds - My cousin made between $8 and $9 doing this before he quit a few months ago.
Grocery Store - My brother made $5.25 in 1997 when he was 15 when min. wage was 4.25.

Just wondering who out there is making min. wage. I'm not saying they don't exist. I'd just like to know who.

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My first job when I was 15 was in a Burger King (it lasted all of 2 months before I couldn't take it anymore and quit). They paid me minimum wage, and that was on Long Island, NY, where the cost of living is the highest in the country. Most of my co-workers were not kids, they were older, and were making between minimum wage, and at the highest, $6.50 an hour, and thosee were the ones who had been working there for years and years and years. The raises were ridiculous, something like 10 cents an hour (ooh big money) every year.

My second job, also in High School, after Burger King did pay more than minimum wage, but only like $5.45 an hour, so not by much, that was in a beer and soda store working as a clerk.

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Thanks to Government meddling, many waiters get minimum wage PLUS tips. W/O the min. wage many would not be paid hourly at all, tips only.

I earned min wage at 14. I earned less than min at 11. I'm stuck at poker this month. Where's my gov subsidy?

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Just wondering, because I have never met anyone who makes only min. wage. I live in the midwest, where wages are lower than on the coasts. Here are some jobs that I know pay more than min. wage.

Dishwasher - I made $8/hour in 1999 doing this.
McDonalds - My cousin made between $8 and $9 doing this before he quit a few months ago.
Grocery Store - My brother made $5.25 in 1997 when he was 15 when min. wage was 4.25.

Just wondering who out there is making min. wage. I'm not saying they don't exist. I'd just like to know who.

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My first job when I was 15 was in a Burger King (it lasted all of 2 months before I couldn't take it anymore and quit). They paid me minimum wage, and that was on Long Island, NY, where the cost of living is the highest in the country. Most of my co-workers were not kids, they were older, and were making between minimum wage, and at the highest, $6.50 an hour, and thosee were the ones who had been working there for years and years and years. The raises were ridiculous, something like 10 cents an hour (ooh big money) every year.

My second job, also in High School, after Burger King did pay more than minimum wage, but only like $5.45 an hour, so not by much, that was in a beer and soda store working as a clerk.

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Kind of what I was wondering. Is min. wage more prevalent in more populated areas?

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Thanks to Government meddling, many waiters get minimum wage PLUS tips. W/O the min. wage many would not be paid hourly at all, tips only.

I earned min wage at 14. I earned less than min at 11. I'm stuck at poker this month. Where's my gov subsidy?

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I know what you mean. I am down at poker for the year, but have paid the govt. 4800 in taxes for 2006 (Estimated qtr. payments). It makes me sick....and poor (not really poor).

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Just wondering, because I have never met anyone who makes only min. wage. I live in the midwest, where wages are lower than on the coasts. Here are some jobs that I know pay more than min. wage.

Dishwasher - I made $8/hour in 1999 doing this.
McDonalds - My cousin made between $8 and $9 doing this before he quit a few months ago.
Grocery Store - My brother made $5.25 in 1997 when he was 15 when min. wage was 4.25.

Just wondering who out there is making min. wage. I'm not saying they don't exist. I'd just like to know who.

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My first job when I was 15 was in a Burger King (it lasted all of 2 months before I couldn't take it anymore and quit). They paid me minimum wage, and that was on Long Island, NY, where the cost of living is the highest in the country. Most of my co-workers were not kids, they were older, and were making between minimum wage, and at the highest, $6.50 an hour, and thosee were the ones who had been working there for years and years and years. The raises were ridiculous, something like 10 cents an hour (ooh big money) every year.

My second job, also in High School, after Burger King did pay more than minimum wage, but only like $5.45 an hour, so not by much, that was in a beer and soda store working as a clerk.

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Kind of what I was wondering. Is min. wage more prevalent in more populated areas?

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Its more prevalent where there is a surplus of cheap labor. That may be more populated areas, or areas without that many opportunities for unskilled labor but a more or less "normal" population.

In the NY metro area there were several summers where, for some reason, there was a short supply of working teens, and even the McD's and BKs had to increase their pay to the $8-$9 range. This summer hasnt been like that, with less jobs and more available kids.

Movie theatre help (usher, ticket seller, concession stand) is another one that pays min. wage when they have the labor supply.

I dont know how it is now, but when I worked in a commercial car wash as a kid, that was min wage plus tips and sometimes you had to fight for your share of the tips!

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I was paid $4.15/hour (CAN$) at my first job 16 years ago. I was a bagboy at a supermarket. I worked there 3 years, and I think I was making $6.25/hour as a cashier when I quit to work in a warehouse that was paying me $8/hour.

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I got all you beat.

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What are the states with the cheapest cost of living? I would suspect if there are presently min wage jobs, they exisit there.

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Me, when I was on Jury Duty.

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My first job when I was 15 was in a Burger King (it lasted all of 2 months before I couldn't take it anymore and quit). They paid me minimum wage, and that was on Long Island, NY, where the cost of living is the highest in the country. Most of my co-workers were not kids, they were older, and were making between minimum wage, and at the highest, $6.50 an hour, and thosee were the ones who had been working there for years and years and years. The raises were ridiculous, something like 10 cents an hour (ooh big money) every year.

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Sorry, but no one should be working in Burger King at minimum wage for years and years and years. If they are, that is their fault, and their fault alone. They should be glad they were getting 10 cent raises. You do realize why the raises are so small? Because the owners were doing it out of the goodness of their hearts ... they don't expect people to stay in those jobs for years and years and years ... they expect them to be filled by other people as people move on.

"You are so mean," you say? No, because anyone that wants to better themselves over the years and years and years they are working at Burger King can do so. They can take the GED, go to college, go to a trade school, etc. Failing to do so, they get zero sympathy from me.

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I believe something between 5% and 10% of the workforce actually makes minimum wage. The reason that it is such a big deal for Democrats is that union wage scale is calculated from the minimum wage. So when Congress increases the minimum wage $0.50, for example, they really couldn't care less about the 8% of poor black youths who become unemployed, they care about their Union cronies, whose pay goes up by many multiples of what the minimum wage went up, and who don't have to worry about losing their jobs, since they are protected from competition in the first place. Until they force the employer offshore or out of business. Then their members reap the rewards their Union bosses have sown.

Edit: Except, of course, government unions, which never go offshore since their employer never has to suffer losses, since the taxpayers and the Intaglio presses are will pick up any tab necessary.

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I believe something between 5% and 10% of the workforce actually makes minimum wage. The reason that it is such a big deal for Democrats is that union wage scale is calculated from the minimum wage. So when Congress increases the minimum wage $0.50, for example, they really couldn't care less about the 8% of poor black youths who become unemployed, they care about their Union cronies, whose pay goes up by many multiples of what the minimum wage went up, and who don't have to worry about losing their jobs, since they are protected from competition in the first place. Until they force the employer offshore or out of business. Then their members reap the rewards their Union bosses have sown.

Edit: Except, of course, government unions, which never go offshore since their employer never has to suffer losses, since the taxpayers and the Intaglio presses are will pick up any tab necessary.


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What industry's unions base wage scale directly on min wage, where a min wage increase would automatically increase the union scale?

I can name 5 major unions that dont.

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"You are so mean," you say? No, because anyone that wants to better themselves over the years and years and years they are working at Burger King can do so. They can take the GED, go to college, go to a trade school, etc. Failing to do so, they get zero sympathy from me.

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Many of the long-timers there were marginal people who probably had iq's just slightly above being retarded. I seriously doubt they could have gone to any kind of advanced school, or even obtained their GED's.

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Me, when I was on Jury Duty.

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jury duty pay arent wages, you are not an employee of the court

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"You are so mean," you say? No, because anyone that wants to better themselves over the years and years and years they are working at Burger King can do so. They can take the GED, go to college, go to a trade school, etc. Failing to do so, they get zero sympathy from me.

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Many of the long-timers there were marginal people who probably had iq's just slightly above being retarded. I seriously doubt they could have gone to any kind of advanced school, or even obtained their GED's.

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This was my experience also when I worked in a cherry factory.

There is a sizeable portion of the workforce that makes just enough to pay for food and shelter and aren't blessed with the requisite talent or intelligence to progress up the pay scale.

Their work is hard and draining. Their housing is spartan at best, they have hardly any opportunity for recreation, and can't afford health insurance.

A lot of them are really nice people even.

Anyone who would fault a person with an IQ of 75 for failing to self educate is an [censored] in my book.

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"You are so mean," you say? No, because anyone that wants to better themselves over the years and years and years they are working at Burger King can do so. They can take the GED, go to college, go to a trade school, etc. Failing to do so, they get zero sympathy from me.

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Many of the long-timers there were marginal people who probably had iq's just slightly above being retarded. I seriously doubt they could have gone to any kind of advanced school, or even obtained their GED's.

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This was my experience also when I worked in a cherry factory.

There is a sizeable portion of the workforce that makes just enough to pay for food and shelter and aren't blessed with the requisite talent or intelligence to progress up the pay scale.

Their work is hard and draining. Their housing is spartan at best, they have hardly any opportunity for recreation, and can't afford health insurance.

A lot of them are really nice people even.

Anyone who would fault a person with an IQ of 75 for failing to self educate is an [censored] in my book.

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Oh, please. I don't doubt that *some* of the people you are talking about have such low IQs that there may be little else that they can do. But I'm not buying that all, or even the majority of those you mention, couldn't find other work that paid more than minimum wage. Many are lazy, unmotivate, lack understanding that other opportunities exist (giving them the benefit of the doubt).

But to conclude that a sizable portion of our work force are people in this condition, and that I am an [censored], is a bunch of crap.

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Well let's see, according to the 2000 census the population was 281,421,906. Of that, 25.0 percent are younger than 18, and 12.4 percent are older than 65.

Subtracting those leaves ~176 million people of working age. If you call a standard deviation 16 points then I believe about 16% of this population should fall below the 84 point line. That would be 28 million people.

So yeah, there are *some*

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"You are so mean," you say? No, because anyone that wants to better themselves over the years and years and years they are working at Burger King can do so. They can take the GED, go to college, go to a trade school, etc. Failing to do so, they get zero sympathy from me.

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Many of the long-timers there were marginal people who probably had iq's just slightly above being retarded. I seriously doubt they could have gone to any kind of advanced school, or even obtained their GED's.

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This was my experience also when I worked in a cherry factory.

There is a sizeable portion of the workforce that makes just enough to pay for food and shelter and aren't blessed with the requisite talent or intelligence to progress up the pay scale.

Their work is hard and draining. Their housing is spartan at best, they have hardly any opportunity for recreation, and can't afford health insurance.

A lot of them are really nice people even.

Anyone who would fault a person with an IQ of 75 for failing to self educate is an [censored] in my book.

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Oh, please. I don't doubt that *some* of the people you are talking about have such low IQs that there may be little else that they can do. But I'm not buying that all, or even the majority of those you mention, couldn't find other work that paid more than minimum wage. Many are lazy, unmotivate, lack understanding that other opportunities exist (giving them the benefit of the doubt).


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If they are lazy, wouldn't it be better for them to get a better job so they can enjoy vacations, etc?

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The reason that it is such a big deal for Democrats is that union wage scale is calculated from the minimum wage. So when Congress increases the minimum wage $0.50, for example, . . . they care about their Union cronies, whose pay goes up by many multiples of what the minimum wage went up

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What are you talking about? I've seen many, many union contracts and haven't ever seen this.

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heI've had $7/hour jobs a retard could do. If they were teh kind of retard that showed up to work on time and didn't use drugs they would have been one of the best employess in the store.

That being said, some retards are probably so unproductive they don't even produce enough to justify thier min wage and probably go unemployed. Thanks for pushing them out of work and making them starve in the streets.

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Thanks to Government meddling, many waiters get minimum wage PLUS tips. W/O the min. wage many would not be paid hourly at all, tips only.

I earned min wage at 14. I earned less than min at 11. I'm stuck at poker this month. Where's my gov subsidy?

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Unless this is different in differnt sates, this is mostly untrue. Servers at every restaurant have a minimum wage of 2.11 an hour in Ohio and Massachusettes (that is every restaurant i have worked at).

EDIT: by mostly untrue, i meant the implication that they get the minimum wage of 5.15 an hour that has been discussed in previous threads.

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"You are so mean," you say? No, because anyone that wants to better themselves over the years and years and years they are working at Burger King can do so. They can take the GED, go to college, go to a trade school, etc. Failing to do so, they get zero sympathy from me.

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Many of the long-timers there were marginal people who probably had iq's just slightly above being retarded. I seriously doubt they could have gone to any kind of advanced school, or even obtained their GED's.

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This was my experience also when I worked in a cherry factory.

There is a sizeable portion of the workforce that makes just enough to pay for food and shelter and aren't blessed with the requisite talent or intelligence to progress up the pay scale.

Their work is hard and draining. Their housing is spartan at best, they have hardly any opportunity for recreation, and can't afford health insurance.

A lot of them are really nice people even.

Anyone who would fault a person with an IQ of 75 for failing to self educate is an [censored] in my book.

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Anecdotal small sample size. of the two of people i worked with in restaruants who were technically retarded one was an alcoholic who missed work regularly (employment laws in Mass made it difficult to fire him) and the other made 7$ an hour, and was a productive worker.

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The reason that it is such a big deal for Democrats is that union wage scale is calculated from the minimum wage. So when Congress increases the minimum wage $0.50, for example, . . . they care about their Union cronies, whose pay goes up by many multiples of what the minimum wage went up

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What are you talking about? I've seen many, many union contracts and haven't ever seen this.

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I've been told this on several ocassions, but I can't find anything on google about it. So I concede the point until such time as I can confirm ot deny it.

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Me, when I was on Jury Duty.

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jury duty pay arent wages, you are not an employee of the court

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Right, it's just minimally-compensated small-degree slavery.

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The reason that it is such a big deal for Democrats is that union wage scale is calculated from the minimum wage. So when Congress increases the minimum wage $0.50, for example, . . . they care about their Union cronies, whose pay goes up by many multiples of what the minimum wage went up

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What are you talking about? I've seen many, many union contracts and haven't ever seen this.

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I've been told this on several ocassions, but I can't find anything on google about it. So I concede the point until such time as I can confirm ot deny it.

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There may actually be some out there, but the number of workers covered would be so miniscule thatthey wouldnt have any major economic effect. Some that dont: Electrical Workers, Culinary Workers, Grocers, Longshoremen,Security Guards.

The reason I doubt you will find any of significance: It would be one of the biggest bargaining blunders an employer/industry could make, and any labor negotiator who entered into such a contract would be fired. Companies will not turn over control of one of if not their most significant costs of doing business to an outside influence.

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This was my experience also when I worked in a cherry factory.

There is a sizeable portion of the workforce that makes just enough to pay for food and shelter and aren't blessed with the requisite talent or intelligence to progress up the pay scale.

Their work is hard and draining. Their housing is spartan at best, they have hardly any opportunity for recreation, and can't afford health insurance.

A lot of them are really nice people even.

Anyone who would fault a person with an IQ of 75 for failing to self educate is an [censored] in my book.

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Evolution is how they even got their spartan housing in the first place.

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I could easily be wrong. A split rate min wage is possible.

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Well let's see, according to the 2000 census the population was 281,421,906. Of that, 25.0 percent are younger than 18, and 12.4 percent are older than 65.

Subtracting those leaves ~176 million people of working age. If you call a standard deviation 16 points then I believe about 16% of this population should fall below the 84 point line. That would be 28 million people.

So yeah, there are *some*

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Not sure I follow you ... are you saying there are 28 million people in our workforce whose IQs fall under 78 (or whatever number we were talking about)? I'm not buying that.

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Well let's see, according to the 2000 census the population was 281,421,906. Of that, 25.0 percent are younger than 18, and 12.4 percent are older than 65.

Subtracting those leaves ~176 million people of working age. If you call a standard deviation 16 points then I believe about 16% of this population should fall below the 84 point line. That would be 28 million people.

So yeah, there are *some*

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Not sure I follow you ... are you saying there are 28 million people in our workforce whose IQs fall under 78 (or whatever number we were talking about)? I'm not buying that.

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I think he said 16% of the population has an IQ <84, not necessarily those in the workforce.

About 20% of the population has an IQ between 74 and 89 which is considered an employable range (with considerable supervision), so Dr. S's numbers dont seem too far off.

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Yeah if the distribution is normal, then about 16% of the population should be at least one standard deviation (16 pts per sd) below the mean. So there would be 28 million people of working age that have an IQ below 84.

I'm sure not all of them are working, but it's reasonable to assume millions are.

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Ha ha. You actually went from one min wage to another, twice. That's really asserting yourself.

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That's your own fault. No wonder you want a gov't handout.

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I taught tennis to groups of kids for .25 over minimum wage (which was $5.75 4 years ago). Thank God for poker.

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I taught tennis to groups of kids for .25 over minimum wage (which was $5.75 4 years ago). Thank God for poker.

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I'm really surprised. I would think teaching kids tennis would pay better then that.

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1) I make $200/night in tips

2) Where do you keep getting this "you want a government handout stuff?"