NL600 Bluff, am I repping good enough?
 

Villain is a multitabler (maybe 2p2er, screenname DonRobertNL) with 26/14/1,75 stats.

He has been C-betting a lot, and i decide on the flop to make a move:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

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CO ($156.28)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($684)</font>
SB ($594)
BB ($387.50)
UTG ($1795.47)
<font color="#C00000">MP ($796)</font>

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $3.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $22</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $22, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($53) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $36</font>, Hero calls $36.

Turn: ($125) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $70</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $140</font>, MP calls $70.

River: ($405) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, Hero calls $486 (All-In)


What do you think? Am I representing a strong hand here (like A6, TT, overpair) or does it look like a bluff?

Also, what hand would you call this river with if you were villain?

Thanks

Re: NL600 Bluff, am I repping good enough?
 

Raise more on the turn.

Re: NL600 Bluff, am I repping good enough?
 

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Raise more on the turn.

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First chink in the armor, Ted

Re: NL600 Bluff, am I repping good enough?
 

how good does he think you are?

if he thinks you're bad or has no reads, then the minraise is good.

if he thinks you're decent, meh.

also, why not make the turn bet bigger? to 210? the difference will be that on the river it will be slightly less than a psb. do you want to be able to overbet?

fwiw, i call the river with any hand that called the turn. that's a bit of a leak against thinking players, but against most people who minraise this seems to make sense.

Re: NL600 Bluff, am I repping good enough?
 

I really don't know how he views me, I doubt he has seen me bluff before though. The thing with this line is I have seen a lot of donks do it with trips, so I decided to join them.

Re: NL600 Bluff, am I repping good enough?
 

I actually like the miniraise in this case given your stack sizes. If you make a decent raise, he may be stubborn still and call (like he's doing now) and when he sees he's getting 3 to 1 on the river he'll be more inclined to call the bluff.

Of course if he knows you're a good player then your raise looks real sketchy

Re: NL600 Bluff, am I repping good enough?
 

not familiar with villian, but it sure looks like you have a 6 here. if he can lay down a T here then i'd say you're ok. i'd prefer to make a real raise on the turn as it should acheive the same result and be cheaper for you if it fails.

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Also, what hand would you call this river with if you were villain?

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A9+ but that's just 'cause i'm sick at hand reading.

Re: NL600 Bluff, am I repping good enough?
 

Okay guys, thanks for answering. I just had a bad session and this guy just made it a lot worse, he called me with [censored] 88. Pocket eights!!!

I'm just gonna go kill myself or something

Re: NL600 Bluff, am I repping good enough?
 

Btw I enjoyed watching your video Kratzer, it was good.

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Raise more on the turn.

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Then the river push is too small.

Duh?!?

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Raise more on the turn.

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Then the river push is too small.

Duh?!?

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sorry if you're being sarcastic, but if he calls the turn raise you give up and don't bet the river.

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Btw I enjoyed watching your video Kratzer, it was good.

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thanks man.

Re: NL600 Bluff, am I repping good enough?
 

This is a pretty bad bluff. Your play doesn't really make a lot of sense to a thinking player.

Re: NL600 Bluff, am I repping good enough?
 

Best advice I ever got; you're not trying to confuse your opponent with a bluff, your trying to give him no doubt in his mind what cards you hold.

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Raise more on the turn.

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First chink in the armor, Ted

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Re: NL600 Bluff, am I repping good enough?
 

Guys, I hope you mean that I should raise to 200 on the turn and then CHECK behind on river? Cuz this guy will certainly (like many of you have said) call my river push if he has called my turn raise (of course I didn't know this before this hand).

I still think he is a moron [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
He stacked me 10 minutes later when I had AA on Q9T flop, of course he has KJ and of course he leads out pot, I raise, he pushes and tiltcalllllll by me

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This is a pretty bad bluff. Your play doesn't really make a lot of sense to a thinking player.

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What hand calls flop, minraises turn and pushes river? Is this ever a missed FD when the turn has been a blank?

Exactly what does a thinking player put me on, and will a thinking player fold to a river half-pot bet thinking i MIGHT have 99 or better? I really really dont get it, is it the slight overbet push that gives away my hand?

Re: NL600 Bluff, am I repping good enough?
 

I may have made the same call. The best way to play this would have been to make a much bigger raise on the turn. Why would you bet the river so hard if you had a 6? Wouldn't you want a ten to call?

Re: NL600 Bluff, am I repping good enough?
 

That isn't a great bluff really. Villain has to put you on a very small range of hands as it is, and that board really isnt dry enough to do it. I think A/10 and JJ+ look you up a lot of the time here. If the river had brought a flush card I think it would've been a great line to take because you easily could've been semi-bluffing the turn with a flush draw + overs. Once you min-raise the turn and the river blanks you really just have to give up.