Official NHL 2006 Off-Season Thread
 

Figured we need a place to discuss what happens at the NHL Draft, and qualifying offers are due to free agents by Monday next week. July 1st is when free agents are eligible to sign with any team.

Here's a great site for 2006 Free Agents - it's pretty accurate: 2006 NHL Free Agents

Today's news: Joe Sakic signed a 1-year deal rumored to be worth 5.75 million to stay in Colorado.

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Have they announced the cap figure for next year?

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No, but speculation is that it will be around $44 million (US). I believe the figure is set to be announced later this week.

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Rumors that are out there; Looks like Luongo might be traded (I'd love for the Lightning to get him)

NHL Rumors

Cap will be $44 Million, read this today
Cap will be $44 Million

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Rumour has it the Leafs will overpay for a bunch washed up stiffs. Half the city will rejoice and half will cry but all of them will wish they could get their mitts on season tickets for a reasonable price.

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LOL - that's not a rumor, that's a fact.

AceHawk, thefourthperiod has been pretty much discredited - this guy got one thing right and has been riding off it ever since. His 'rumors' are mostly in his head I think.

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Yeah? I wasn't aware of that, I had always looked there first. Now that you mention it, ... yeah. Point taken.

Do you have a link that you check for rumors?

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Rumour has it the Leafs will overpay for a bunch washed up stiffs. Half the city will rejoice and half will cry but all of them will wish they could get their mitts on season tickets for any price, including major organs.

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FYP

Otherwise, entirely correct.

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Yeah? I wasn't aware of that, I had always looked there first. Now that you mention it, ... yeah. Point taken.

Do you have a link that you check for rumors?

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Spector's Trade Rumors compiles all the latest trade rumors from major newspapers and radio stations. Here's the link: Spector's Trade Rumors

While these aren't often 'wow' type of speculations, Spector doesn't guarantee things will happen or make wild claims that he can't back up - he doesn't have mysterious 'sources' - he leaves that to the individual journalists, but is usually able to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to credibility.

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A most excellent FYP. Made me laugh.

Luongo for Bertuzzi.
 

From TSN :

The Vancouver Canucks and Florida Panthers have completed a multi-player trade involving some big names on the eve of the NHL Draft.

The Panthers have confirmed that they acquired Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan Allen and Alexander Auld from the Canucks in exchange for Roberto Luongo and Lukas Krajicek.

Big news - I like the deal for both sides. Luongo is only an RFA for one more season, and Bertuzzi really won't drag the Panthers' cap situation down since the Panthers won't be good for another three seasons. It's a win-win trade.

Also: Rod Brind'Amour signed to 5 year deal worth 18 million dollars. Bad deal - B'A is getting 3 years at 4M and 2 years at 3. Those last two years he will not be worth that money.

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Who cares, the Sharks will win the Cup next year.

Rumors for the Sharks, POSSIBLY trading Nabby before the no-trade clause kicks in... Owen Nolan returning... Korky returning...

Looks like Scott Thornton is leaving.

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Ooops, I didn't mean to say "Who cares" to that!! I meant it to the offseason. I officially hate the Panthers now. I think the Canucks got a steal here. Although, I don't know much about the D-players swapped. Anyone have more info on the D exchange?

SPORTSNET REPORTS THE VANCOUVER CANUCKS HAVE DEALT FORWARD TODD BERTUZZI, DEFENCEMAN BRYAN ALLEN AND GOALIE ALEX AULD TO THE FLORIDA PANTHERS IN EXCHANGE FOR GOALTENDER ROBERTO LUONGO, DEFENCEMAN LUKIS KRAJICEK AND A 6TH ROUND PICK!

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Also: Rod Brind'Amour signed to 5 year deal worth 18 million dollars. Bad deal - B'A is getting 3 years at 4M and 2 years at 3. Those last two years he will not be worth that money.

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Ugh, I totally agree with you. I love Brindy, but he'll be 36 in a month.

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Triumph,
Have you heard anything on Jay McKee as far as his chances of staying or who is interested?

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Have you heard anything on Jay McKee as far as his chances of staying or who is interested?

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I have read where the NYR are going to go after McKee rather then a higher priced guy like Chara. Although that was just speculation on a beat writers part.

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Have you heard anything on Jay McKee as far as his chances of staying or who is interested?

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I have read where the NYR are going to go after McKee rather then a higher priced guy like Chara.

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Sounds like a wise thing to do. Fortunately it's the Rangers though.

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Ooops, I didn't mean to say "Who cares" to that!! I meant it to the offseason. I officially hate the Panthers now. I think the Canucks got a steal here. Although, I don't know much about the D-players swapped. Anyone have more info on the D exchange?


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Krajicek is a good 3-6 defenseman not a top 2 guy. No idea about Allen, never really watched him play but their stats are very similar. More size to Allen but youth to LK.

Anyway, Vancouver got the best player in this deal by a long shot, that is how trades are usually measured. Of course, if Auld becomes a true #1 goalie and Bertuzzi regains some assemblance of form (doubtful) then the deal is not as bad.

I can not imagine a Panther fan that knows hockey would be very happy about this deal.

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I can not imagine a Panther fan that knows hockey would be very happy about this deal.

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Especially if the rumor that LA Kings were offering Frolov, Garon, and Brown was true. That would have been a MUCH better deal than what VAN offered.

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Panthers first line:

Peltonen-Jokinen-Bertuzzi

2 power forwards.

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From TSN :

The Vancouver Canucks and Florida Panthers have completed a multi-player trade involving some big names on the eve of the NHL Draft.

The Panthers have confirmed that they acquired Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan Allen and Alexander Auld from the Canucks in exchange for Roberto Luongo and Lukas Krajicek.

Big news - I like the deal for both sides. Luongo is only an RFA for one more season, and Bertuzzi really won't drag the Panthers' cap situation down since the Panthers won't be good for another three seasons. It's a win-win trade.

Also: Rod Brind'Amour signed to 5 year deal worth 18 million dollars. Bad deal - B'A is getting 3 years at 4M and 2 years at 3. Those last two years he will not be worth that money.

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OMG MIKE KEENAN IS CRAZY.

Edit: OK honestly we are probably on the Fool's day this can't be true. Luongo is probably the best keeper in the league and Bertuzzi is a loser who only made points because he played with one of the best in the league(Naslund). This is probably the worst trade in the history of Florida hockey.

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McGahee - as someone said, the Rangers will probably be very interested in McKee. Haven't heard of anyone else. Playing for a team that goes deep into the playoffs usually guarantees a 10% salary increase over what the player would normally be worth.

As for Luongo-Bertuzzi:

1: No way a Frolov-Brown package was on the table for Luongo as is. The only way the Kings offer that is if Roberto Luongo is signed long-term before they make the deal (because Frolov is signed long-term, and for a bargain price), and I don't think the Luongo camp is ready to commit to a team - he really wants to test the market. IMO a goalie isn't worth max salary in the new NHL because even though Luongo is terrific, there's 10 or 15 guys who you could have in net, and spending that extra 2 to 4 million dollars a year on Luongo is cash you will miss on the blueline or at forward - it's just not worth it.

2: As I said before, Luongo isn't signed. The Vancouver Canucks have absolutely no interest in retaining Luongo long-term, or so I would hope, since Nonis has been such a penny-pinching GM. Since he will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year, he's not going to draw back very much interest in trade. The Florida Panthers were never going to be able to sign him in the off-season, so they may as well get value for him now.

3: On the Bertuzzi side, Bertuzzi is obviously overpaid, but the Panthers don't care because they're not going to spend very much money anyway. He played awful last year but he had to get out of Vancouver. At his best he is a top 10 forward in the game who can do it all, including take stupid penalties. I think he's the most overrated player in the history of the NHL, but perhaps Keenan thinks he can light a fire under him.

4: By the time Bertuzzi's bloated contract runs out, the Panthers will have to sign guys like Bouwmeester and Horton for serious money - they can just let Bert walk. And they also got back Bryan Allen who's an okay 5th defender and Alex Auld who could be a decent starter/backup in the league. Lucas Kraijcek is another future depth defender, so it's basically a lateral move only Allen is 3 years older and he's also slower and more injury-prone.

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NHL TRADE:

Dallas receives: LW/C Patrik Stefan and D Jaroslav Modry
Atlanta receives: LW/C Niko Kapanen and a 7th round pick

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Let's Go BLUES!


#1 pick (we'll forget why)

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Another trade:

Calgary receives Alex Tanguay
Colorado receives Jordan Leopold, a 2nd round pick, and a conditional 2nd round pick - I think that's what it was.

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Trade

Minnesota gets Pavel Demitra
LA gets Patrick O'Sullivan & 1st rd pick (#17?)

Great deal for Minnesota. Demitra, Rolston & Gaborik is some serious punch.

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Leafs aquire Andrew Raycroft from Boston for rights to Tuuka Rask.

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Rumors for the Sharks, POSSIBLY trading Nabby before the no-trade clause kicks in...
Looks like Scott Thornton is leaving.

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Nabokov's no-trade already kicked in. It's called being owed 20 million.

What's the rumor on Thorton? Haven't heard anything about that one.

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Rumors for the Sharks, POSSIBLY trading Nabby before the no-trade clause kicks in...
Looks like Scott Thornton is leaving.

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Nabokov's no-trade already kicked in. It's called being owed 20 million.

What's the rumor on Thorton? Haven't heard anything about that one.

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I've read that the Kings offered Frolik, Brown, and Garon for Nabokov. I would have done this in a heartbeat, even without Garon. Leafs apparently didn't like what was being asked when a GM (I think) said "It takes two to tango" and traded with BOS instead. Ottawa was rumored to offer Havlat for Toskala, which is just plain retarded. Giving up our star goalie for a 1-year rental? If Havlat would offer to sign for multiple years, it'd be great to bring in Elias too.

Doug Wilson doesn't want to pay Scott Thornton what he wants. The man is in awesome shape, but 35 years old.

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Rumors for the Sharks, POSSIBLY trading Nabby before the no-trade clause kicks in...
Looks like Scott Thornton is leaving.

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Nabokov's no-trade already kicked in. It's called being owed 20 million.

What's the rumor on Thorton? Haven't heard anything about that one.

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I've read that the Kings offered Frolik, Brown, and Garon for Nabokov. I would have done this in a heartbeat, even without Garon. Leafs apparently didn't like what was being asked when a GM (I think) said "It takes two to tango" and traded with BOS instead. Ottawa was rumored to offer Havlat for Toskala, which is just plain retarded. Giving up our star goalie for a 1-year rental? If Havlat would offer to sign for multiple years, it'd be great to bring in Elias too.

Doug Wilson doesn't want to pay Scott Thornton what he wants. The man is in awesome shape, but 35 years old.

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No chance that any of this is true. Frolik, Brown, *and* Garon for Nabokov, a goalie that lost his starting job, has an albatross of a contract, and SJ desperately wants to unload? Absolutely no way that this was offered - not with so many other goalies in a similar situation. If teams who need goalies are willing to wait, the price will just continue to sink.

There's no way you could lock up Thornton, Cheechoo, Havlat, and Elias on the same team. Havlat and Elias have a 1% chance of playing together anywhere.

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what are the changes that Elias stays with the Devils?

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what are the changes that Elias stays with the Devils?

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The exact odds that L.L. will open his checkbook.

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what are the changes that Elias stays with the Devils?

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The exact odds that L.L. will open his checkbook.

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Which are very high, considering that he retained Scott Stevens and Martin Brodeur, offered 8M a year to Bobby Holik in 2002 and offered the maximum contract to Scott Niedermayer this past off-season.

The reputation of Lou as a skinflint is mostly nonsense.

However, the Malakhov and Mogilny contracts may still be on the salary cap for this season because of an obscure clause in the new CBA. I can't imagine it will hold up - but who knows. If that's the case the Devils cannot possibly retain Elias. If not, I expect them to make an offer in the high 6's - if anyone wants to go higher, good luck to them - they can't be a very good team. Elias is ready to be a captain in New Jersey, and the only clubs who can seriously afford him are bad ones. I'd put the chances of Elias staying at 50/50, but I felt the Devils would have him signed by now as well.

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Trade

Minnesota gets Pavel Demitra
LA gets Patrick O'Sullivan & 1st rd pick (#17?)

Great deal for Minnesota. Demitra, Rolston & Gaborik is some serious punch.

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WOOHOO the Wild did something good!!! Demitra-Gaborik looked great together in the Olympics and should finally give us a top line to be feared, especially since they are supposedly very good friends.

Risebrough thinks this will make it easier to sign Gaborik, but I don't agree. If we give him the money he wants it won't matter who he is playing with. If we don't give him the money he wants, again, it won't matter who he is playing with.

I am sad to see O'Sullivan go, I'd been pulling for him ever since reading a few years ago about how badly his abusive, controlling dad messed up his mind. He was rookie of the year in the AHL last year too, but hey, for Demitra it was probably a good sacrifice.

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Rumors for the Sharks, POSSIBLY trading Nabby before the no-trade clause kicks in...
Looks like Scott Thornton is leaving.

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Nabokov's no-trade already kicked in. It's called being owed 20 million.

What's the rumor on Thorton? Haven't heard anything about that one.

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I've read that the Kings offered Frolik, Brown, and Garon for Nabokov. I would have done this in a heartbeat, even without Garon. Leafs apparently didn't like what was being asked when a GM (I think) said "It takes two to tango" and traded with BOS instead. Ottawa was rumored to offer Havlat for Toskala, which is just plain retarded. Giving up our star goalie for a 1-year rental? If Havlat would offer to sign for multiple years, it'd be great to bring in Elias too.

Doug Wilson doesn't want to pay Scott Thornton what he wants. The man is in awesome shape, but 35 years old.

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No chance that any of this is true. Frolik, Brown, *and* Garon for Nabokov, a goalie that lost his starting job, has an albatross of a contract, and SJ desperately wants to unload? Absolutely no way that this was offered - not with so many other goalies in a similar situation. If teams who need goalies are willing to wait, the price will just continue to sink.

There's no way you could lock up Thornton, Cheechoo, Havlat, and Elias on the same team. Havlat and Elias have a 1% chance of playing together anywhere.

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This is rumors. It was rumored the same deal was offered for Luongo too. It's said Havlat and Elias want to do a little Teemu-Kariya move and play together.

Cheechoo is 2.5m, Thornton 6.7m, Havlat 3m, Elias 4m.

Basically adding 7m. Nabokov clears up what? 5m? Thornton 1.7m. McCauley is a UFA I believe. That might be another 1.5ish million clear. Maybe we get rid of Ekman or someone else via trade... we have plenty of room for Havlat and Elias.

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Also here's more on the Toronto trade:

Leafs GM John Ferguson also huddled several times with San Jose Sharks GM Doug Wilson. The word is that Wilson was asking for too much in return for goalie Evgeni Nabokov, whose $5.3-million average salary is no easy pill to swallow either.

When asked if talks with the Sharks nearly materialized a goalie, Ferguson said: "It's hard to say what close means, it takes two to tango."

and Havlat to sharks?

The rival Ottawa Senators were trying to join the trade fray.

GM John Muckler was also was seen in conversations with Wilson and it's believed winger Martin Havlat was offered straight up for goalie Vesa Toskala, not Nabakov.

Toskala's $1.375-million salary over the next two seasons makes him a real buy, but it's also the same reason Wilson would rather keep him.

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Leafs aquire Andrew Raycroft from Boston for rights to Tuuka Rask.

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Havlat and Elias will play 3 and 4 million the day Bill Guerin decides to give half his contract back to his team out of charity. Both players would be giving up 3 million a year for 3-4 years - that's not going to happen. Again, I think a 1% chance of them playing together is pretty high. Kariya and Selanne played together because it was in everyone's best interest - Kariya signed for 1.2 million because he would be a UFA early, and Selanne had no problem going along with that plan.

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Trade

Minnesota gets Pavel Demitra
LA gets Patrick O'Sullivan & 1st rd pick (#17?)

Great deal for Minnesota. Demitra, Rolston & Gaborik is some serious punch.

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Are you kidding me? This is one of the worst deals I've heard of, Demitra is vastly overrated now, 1st round pick is worth something and my bro O Sullivan who I used to fight when he was on the Ice Dogs has skill if he can ever learn to backcheck and not float so much.

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A late 1st round pick was not worth very much in this draft - they did, after all, get that for Dwayne Roloson. He went on a sick run in these playoffs but is not a top 10 goalie in the league and probably not a top 20 'tender either.

The Wild must feel that O'Sullivan will not fit in to their defensive scheme - I think they could have made a similar deal at the deadline, but why not do it now and get Demitra for a year, plus have a better shot at locking up Gaborik long-term? These two were excellent for Slovakia in the Olympics. I predict Demitra averages 1.1 points a game for the Wild next season - and there's just no one available like Demitra on the free-agent market.

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Trade

Minnesota gets Pavel Demitra
LA gets Patrick O'Sullivan & 1st rd pick (#17?)

Great deal for Minnesota. Demitra, Rolston & Gaborik is some serious punch.

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Are you kidding me? This is one of the worst deals I've heard of, Demitra is vastly overrated now, 1st round pick is worth something and my bro O Sullivan who I used to fight when he was on the Ice Dogs has skill if he can ever learn to backcheck and not float so much.

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A proven NHL'er who's still got quite a few good years in him is worth more than a prospect & a pick to a team like Minnesota. I know, I know, you played hockey so you know everything, but this is a good deal for both sides.