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You all know this but I am feeling kinda bad for this guy who at my table, not only did he play kinda bad but he ran into a bunch of monster hands.

The thing was he was very polite about it and said NH a few times, never bitched or complained about some of the nice second best hands he lost with. He dropped 4 buy ins and then people at the table started in on how bad he was and took it to the level of disrespecting him.

I dont think the 200$ he lost is gonna kill the guy, but he does not deserve to be berated by better players about how badly he sucks. Many fish dont really mind losing some money but they want to have a good time or at least not be insulted while they are doing it. Take their money, let them keep their dignity.

Like I said I know you all know this but I guess a reminder dont hurt.

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It's odd - usually people don't start criticizing the fish unless they suckout with their junk hands. Here the guy politely lost, and people still insulted him?

Wow.

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did you stick up for him? I usually do this. Also you can report jerks to the site, and the jerks usually get an email telling them to cool off. You use to be able to send private messages on party and sometimes i would do this to people berating fish like this.

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I was gonna offer to help him with his poker game which would be the first time ever I have done that while at the poker table but they drove him off too quick. It was clear he was trying to play well but it kinda looked like he was new.

I had the message almost typed but I was playing a lot of tables and could only type 1 word then had to go play poker at another table.. takes a while for me to type a message like this. I did get one message out asking why this guy was being treated like this but could not get the second one out.

I guess them driving him off was for the best he was flailing around a bit and I doubt he had much of a chance.. but I just hated to see someone who was trying to play good poker get driven off losing their dignity instead of just their money.

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If anybody berates a fish I berate them until the argument is between them and me. I dont stand for people costing me money with their stupid chat.

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I hate when stuff like this happens. Poker players are jerks.

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This is beyond stupid. Not that Im a great player by any means, but when I first started playing (after reading Lee Jones book and playing .5/1 limit) i was pretty much a break even so-so player that any good player would have a fieled day with. Its bad enough when you run into monsters, but for someone who is probably just learning the game ans having someone who is beating tell you how much you suck would have caused a new player to find a new table.

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If anybody berates a fish I berate them until the argument is between them and me. I dont stand for people costing me money with their stupid chat.

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Exactly! And they should know it costs them also. If you hate money, be a Jerk. The only time I ve gotten my chat revoked (for 2 weeks) was because I used to get into huge fights with this regular douchebag (18 year old who thinks he s a pokergod cause he makes 4K a month) Besides, nowadays it isnt only virtual (somepeople claim it doesnt matter cause its only the internet), many top players are recognized by their online names. I wouldnt want to get a reputation as an [censored]. I ve met many guys I ve played online in live events and its always been like: "wow cool, so you are "Rhaegar" (my nick on crypto), nice to meet you."
instead of "oh that [censored], FU".

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If anybody berates a fish I berate them until the argument is between them and me. I dont stand for people costing me money with their stupid chat.

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good move

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Rhaegar

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Have a thing for dragons do you?

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If anybody berates a fish I berate them until the argument is between them and me. I dont stand for people costing me money with their stupid chat.

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There's no lower form of life than a table coach... unless maybe the affiliate (j/k).

Pleeease don't give lessons at the table. Nobody likes to be patronized.

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There is a guy, Artbarry, on Party that is always yelling at the fish for playing bad. He will sit there and berate and call them all sorts of XXXXX'd out names, even though he is usually beating them in the hands he's whining about them calling with 85o or whatever. I make sure to point out how much of a retard he's being for yelling at people while beating them, but he keeps on doing it. He runs at like 38/5 though and I have him as a losing player over 2000 hands or so, perhaps that's why he's so bitter.

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You all know this but I am feeling kinda bad for this guy who at my table, not only did he play kinda bad but he ran into a bunch of monster hands.

The thing was he was very polite about it and said NH a few times, never bitched or complained about some of the nice second best hands he lost with. He dropped 4 buy ins and then people at the table started in on how bad he was and took it to the level of disrespecting him.

I dont think the 200$ he lost is gonna kill the guy, but he does not deserve to be berated by better players about how badly he sucks. Many fish dont really mind losing some money but they want to have a good time or at least not be insulted while they are doing it. Take their money, let them keep their dignity.

Like I said I know you all know this but I guess a reminder dont hurt.

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thx for the reminder that we all want fish to come back.

<------ Guilty of sarcasticly saying 'Thx' to a bigstack fish whenever I won at showdown. (SnG)

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If anybody berates a fish I berate them until the argument is between them and me. I dont stand for people costing me money with their stupid chat.

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Is it too late to start by not referring to them as "fish"?

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Ego's are funny things....we all have them, but some of us are more in control of them than others.

It is my observation that the 'table coaches/beraters' of online play are those who's ego's are weak.

This us usually accomapanied by a mid-level knowlege and skill-set of the game....They think that they know more than they really do......Something that an observant player can take advantage of!

When one of these bozo's gets out of line, I will generally try to make some kind of a comment that will give me an idea of whether or not they are just another idiot, or are they a decent player who may be on tilt from a bad session.

I will try to take the heat of the player that is the target of their comments for two reasons.

#1 - As a person, I don't appreciate that kind of behavior.

#2 - I want as many weak players at my table as possible...I like it when my EV increases.

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Rhaegar

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Have a thing for dragons do you?

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Why yes, and books, and fighting [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
Too bad I m also dead... [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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This never fails to amaze me. Usually the person doing the berating does not understand some fundamental things about poker, but not always.

I've been berated by 2+2ers before. Its really completely unacceptable and very costly in the long run.

Why would you ever insult the people who's money you are taking? Its the equivalent of having a big leak in your play.

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I've been berated by 2+2ers before. Its really completely unacceptable and very costly in the long run.

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Not all 2+2ers understand the fundamentals of poker.

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It is my observation that the 'table coaches/beraters' of online play are those who's ego's are weak.

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I wasn't a Psych. major, but I would say just the opposite. Their ego (and self image) are greatly inflated. They not only think they are superior to their "student" but they need to make sure everyone else knows they are superior.
Phil Hellmuth is the poster child.

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This us usually accomapanied by a mid-level knowlege and skill-set of the game....They think that they know more than they really do......

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This I definitely agree with. Maybe we mean the same thing, just different understanding of terms.

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I actually go out of the way to say to bad players that they are good and that they have solid game etc... etc... I try to keep the bad players at my table as long as possible. Exactly what was said before, I want the best +ev situation possible.

-gremlin

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Is it too late to start by not referring to them as "fish"?

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Casino's call them "VIP's".

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Rhaegar

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Have a thing for dragons do you?

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Why yes, and books, and fighting [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
Too bad I m also dead... [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Yeah, well; that's what you get for consorting with Shadows and getting on Londo's bad side.

-Mike

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It is my observation that the 'table coaches/beraters' of online play are those who's ego's are weak.

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I wasn't a Psych. major, but I would say just the opposite. Their ego (and self image) are greatly inflated. They not only think they are superior to their "student" but they need to make sure everyone else knows they are superior.
Phil Hellmuth is the poster child.

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Those with poor self-images or those who are insecure often overcompensate, hence my comment/observation.

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I've seen people berate fish that sucks out on them. I don't see people berate fish that's losing money to them all that often though.

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I've been berated by 2+2ers before.

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As have I...many times after a screen name change. I once was experimenting at a lower limit and got berated by such a person. I was making some strange plays and the whole table thought I was a fish. I promptly told the entire table that I was leaving becuase of player XXXX and I got up and left at the blind. I thought that might drive the point home a little better.

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This never ceases to amaze me. I have seen it way too much.

I deal poker and there have been sometimes online where I just kick into dealer mode and tell them to tone it down. Of course this does no good because then they just start coming after me and I end up leaving the game. Thank God online I can just go to another table or aanother site.

Maybe we should start sending notes to customer service with a copy of the chat from the hand histories and have them send them a little note to tell them to stop.

Heck I go my chat privileges pulled at prima for mentioning the RB word and I was just carrying on a 1/2 hour conversation with a guy about playing online poker, different books, and things like that. Maybe if they would start taking chat away from some of these people they would learn.

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This never ceases to amaze me. I have seen it way too much.

I deal poker and there have been sometimes online where I just kick into dealer mode and tell them to tone it down. Of course this does no good because then they just start coming after me and I end up leaving the game. Thank God online I can just go to another table or aanother site.

Maybe we should start sending notes to customer service with a copy of the chat from the hand histories and have them send them a little note to tell them to stop.

Heck I go my chat privileges pulled at prima for mentioning the RB word and I was just carrying on a 1/2 hour conversation with a guy about playing online poker, different books, and things like that. Maybe if they would start taking chat away from some of these people they would learn.

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.....e-mail support. It mostly works.....See following.



PokerStars Support wrote:
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>>>Hello Myrtle,
>>>
>>>I appreciate the time you took to write us regarding your concern. As
>>>we cannot monitor every table 24 hours, we are glad to have players as
>>>our "eyes and ears".
>>>
>>>After review of the chat log, we have decided to remove this player's
>>>chat privileges. Their language was totally inappropriate and abusive
>>>to others. Our games are to be kept clean, fun, and a comfortable
>>>environment for everyone. We cannot tolerate this type of behavior at
>>>our tables.
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Melina
>>>PokerStars Support Team

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I lost 4 buy-ins at a table experimenting with NL $50 the other night. Maybe this was me! Nah, couldn't be--I woulda been bitching left and right.

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Is it too late to start by not referring to them as "fish"?

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I prefer Donkey or Donk