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villain is really weird

first orbit:

short-stack raises to 22 (he has 180 behind), i (600 behind) reraise to 72 w/AA, SB (800 behind) flat calls, short-stack pushes, i push, SB CALLS

Me: AA
short-stack: QQ
SB: KdJd

i hold up and scoop. SB about 3-4 orbits later does a weird button open limp-push over BBs raise.

hand in question:

villain is now UTG and raises to 22

i reraise AKo to 72

villain (750, i cover) pushes

insta-call?

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I wouldnt insta, because I hate playing large coinflips in cash games. You can take this maniacs money on a 5 card board a lot easier than leaving it up to a gamble.

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I wouldnt insta, because I hate playing large coinflips in cash games. You can take this maniacs money on a 5 card board a lot easier than leaving it up to a gamble.

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this isnt a coinflip if he never has AA/KK here

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I wouldnt insta, because I hate playing large coinflips in cash games. You can take this maniacs money on a 5 card board a lot easier than leaving it up to a gamble.

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this isnt a coinflip if he never has AA/KK here

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Thats another possibility. I cannot see calling this.

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If he never has AA/KK here it's an easy call. You flip with a lot of his range and dominate the rest. Obviously if you think he plays AA/KK this way as well it's a fold, though hardly INSTA. Playing 12 tables you probably have to INSTA everything.

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insta fold for me against this guy...seems like there will be plenty more opportunities to stack him

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I'd call, that KJ hand is enough for me.

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I agree to fold here. Part of his range IS AA/KK, and you flip against his other hands. I doubt he does this with AQ. And I don't like coinflips for full stacks, BUT, if you don't mind the variance, I do believe that calling here is +EV because I think that you have equity here given the dead money.

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I agree to fold here. Part of his range IS AA/KK, and you flip against his other hands. I doubt he does this with AQ. And I don't like coinflips for full stacks, BUT, if you don't mind the variance, I do believe that calling here is +EV because I think that you have equity here given the dead money.

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Ummm did you read yves' original post?

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why do you think he never has aa/kk here?

thought 1. thinking from the villian's perspective, you raised with a good hand before, you must have a good hand now. therefore he should push aa/kk because you will call.

thought 2. he called before with kj. jesus h. i think it's tough to exclude many hands from his range.

anyway, my vote is +ev because i think we can add aq, aj to his range.

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im saying this isnt a coinflip IF IF IF he never has AA/KK here

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God, I just reread the action and stacks sizes in first example. I think a call is easily +EV here, but I probably don't have the guts.

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you guys are pussies

INSTACALL

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yea this is an instacall in retrospect. the guy is dumb and has shown great evidence for dumbness. i called and was shown 88. final board came JJTT2

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yea this is an instacall in retrospect. the guy is dumb and has shown great evidence for dumbness. i called and was shown 88. final board came JJTT2

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sweet way to win

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yea this is an instacall in retrospect. the guy is dumb and has shown great evidence for dumbness. i called and was shown 88. final board came JJTT2

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three pair no g00t

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yea this is an instacall in retrospect. the guy is dumb and has shown great evidence for dumbness. i called and was shown 88. final board came JJTT2

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I'm glad you won but I don't think that's a good call if the previous had (that you posted) was the only evidence for his dumbness. There are different kinds of dumbness, and him making daft calls with poor hands doesn't tell you much about what he does with monsters. With the small amount of dead money, that is not a good risk against a donk IMO unless you have more on how he tends to play (which you may well have done I guess).

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you guys are pussies

INSTACALL

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First - how did he get back up to 750 after only having 200 when you crippled him on the KJ? I think that would play into it. If he got felted and re-bought for 1,000 and was beat around a little more before this hand - it makes it easier to call since he's probably on tilt.

If he doubled up twice since your last encounter, he may either be playing a rush... or may not want to risk his stack AGAIN, especially against you, who has already shown a tight-aggressive style with the same betting pattern.

I would most likely junk it and bide my time to take his stack later on. No reason to risk it in my opinion. If he shows QQ or JJ and you don't catch you'd be kicking yourself for handng chips to such a bad player.

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isntacall. but don't re-raise this guy.

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I call this all day.

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villain is really weird

first orbit:

short-stack raises to 22 (he has 180 behind), i (600 behind) reraise to 72 w/AA, SB (800 behind) flat calls, short-stack pushes, i push, SB CALLS

Me: AA
short-stack: QQ
SB: KdJd

i hold up and scoop. SB about 3-4 orbits later does a weird button open limp-push over BBs raise.

hand in question:

villain is now UTG and raises to 22

i reraise AKo to 72

villain (750, i cover) pushes

insta-call?

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If he was shorter, its easy call. I would prefer to fold here and lower the variance a bit. He has over a full buyin, I would rather wait for a better spot. gl

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isntacall. but don't re-raise this guy.

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with AK, or ever? seems like AA/KK should be very happy to have this guy push in PF

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insta-call. he CALLED an all-in w/ KJs. that's enough info for me.

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with AK. TT is fine.

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yea this is an instacall in retrospect. the guy is dumb and has shown great evidence for dumbness. i called and was shown 88. final board came JJTT2

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How often do you think AK is going to out run a pair? Of course this isn't always a pair. Usually you see this from short stacks and I pulled a number out of the air and said 99. So I call donk pushes with 99 or better. This is not to suggest that this is a good or better plan, just one that eliminates another decision and opportunity to make a mistake.

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Instacall, you know he does this with anything he raises/is pissed at you/both.

Sometimes you guys need more tourney donk advice. We're used to these.

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he barely ever needs to push with random hands to make this a good call, and he's already shown a propensity for getting all his money in preflop with fun suited hands

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insta fold for me against this guy...seems like there will be plenty more opportunities to stack him

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not if someone else stacks him first. call this [censored].

if he stacks you, THEN you take your opportunities to get it back.

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I think you should fold. The kjs hand could have been a resqueeze plus once you factor in how big his stack was at the time, I wouldnt say he was all too out of line.

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I think you should fold. The kjs hand could have been a resqueeze plus once you factor in how big his stack was at the time, I wouldnt say he was all too out of line.

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Dude read the KJs hand again.

Probably a high variance, but +EV call. Call.

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Oh wait, villains the small blind in the first hand? If thats the case you are probably good to know that he's dumb as hell and can probably call with ak in the posted hand.