3/6 ATo with tough board
 

Haven't been at the table long.
MP1 is about 30/6/0 after 15 hands.
Button is about 40/0/.5 after 20 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Button calls, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Button calls, Hero folds, UTG+2 folds.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Re: 3/6 ATo with tough board
 

you are basically readless and MP1 and Button are unknowns. I think you are ahead often enough on the river to make a call +EV.

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I would bet/fold the turn and then check call the river.

You don't have enough outs to a better hand to make a turn check call the better move.

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I'd call the river. I like the turn check.

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Do you like the turn check because if the action goes bet reraise you can just fold and save a bet?

I guess that is good too now that I think about it

Re: 3/6 ATo with tough board
 

My only question is with respects to the turn. If you call the turn, why fold the river? Catching two pair does you no good bc it makes a 4 card straight. I think if your calling turn, you have to call river. I would prefer to fold the turn though. Your A-10 is VERY vulnerable. Additionally, you don't have many outs. Even if you hit an Ace, you need one that is not a club. Like I said earlier, making two pair does you no good either. As played, call the river... that card couldn't have helped anybody. If your hand was good enough to put one BB in, then might as well show it down.

Re: 3/6 ATo with tough board
 

dootch-

Partle, I like it because we often save outselves from getting trapped and partly I like it because I hardly ever think that this turn goes through unbet, so basically, you are either letting one other player bet the turn for you or bailing for two.

Re: 3/6 ATo with tough board
 

b/f the turn.

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I would bet/fold the turn and then check call the river.

You don't have enough outs to a better hand to make a turn check call the better move.

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Sounds good.

Re: 3/6 ATo with tough board
 

With nobody showing any strength whatsoever, I'd bet the turn (but fold to a raise, as others have suggested). There's the obvious flush threat but not many other likely hands that the turn card helps to beat you.

You're already badly beaten by AK and AQ (which would often be raised pf) which leaves QJ and KT as the only realistic dangers. A set also seems unlikely as AA, JJ and QQ would usually be raised pf too.

If the turn is just called by your opponents, though, I might be tempted just to c/c the river when the blank comes. I'm not sure your AT really falls into the obvious bet for value range and there's a possibility somebody is being cheeky with a big hand.

Re: 3/6 ATo with tough board
 

wtf? bet the turn.

Re: 3/6 ATo with tough board
 

As others have pointed out, I think b/f the turn is the way to go. You don't want another [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] to fall on the river. The board is scary, and with a protected pot, if someone raises, you can easily fold.

As played, if you are going to call the turn, why are you check folding the river?

Re: 3/6 ATo with tough board
 

Im folding this pre flop, something that has not been mentioned as of yet.

I like the flop bet.

I would bet the turn to not give a club a free card, i dont want it to get checked thru, I agree w/ Buck that few turns w/ this many players is checked thru, but by betting I think I put myself in a better spot to evaluate and give myself the chance to fold to a raise.

The river looks like a blank. I would check w/ the intention of calling a single bet or folding to two bets.

Playing this hand in a multiway pot out of postiion is what makes for the harder postflop decisions imo.

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Im folding this pre flop, something that has not been mentioned as of yet.


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hah. 13:2 isnt good enough for ya?


Add another to the bet/fold the turn group. I dont really understand Buck's c/c the turn line. This allows those with draws to possibly take free cards and those with worse aces to see a free river if they chose. If we have the best hand a bet is the only hope of protection, but if we get raised all signs point to our hand being no good at a cost of 1bb. C/c the turn and I guess c/c the river or betting a non-paint non-club is an expensive way to find out our 1 pair is no good.

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hah. 13:2 isnt good enough for ya?


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huh?

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hah. 13:2 isnt good enough for ya?


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huh?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with T, A.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls ($3), MP1 calls($3), 3 folds, Button calls($3), Hero ($1 sb) completes, BB checks ($3bb).

when the action gets to you, you are getting 13:2 odds on your money, right? Sounds good for any 2 broadways to me.

Re: 3/6 ATo with tough board
 

No not really, its only 10$ when it gets to you and costing you 2$ more. 5:1 not knowing what the BB will do, oop in a family pot. Two unsuited broadways does not look very good to me, maybe its just me though, nobody else mentioned it.

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No not really, its only 10$ when it gets to you and costing you 2$ more.

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T/F BB put his money in before the hand was dealt

Re: 3/6 ATo with tough board
 

lol, im going to quit posting before my coffee and while im trying to dodge bosses at work. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Now that I have had my coffee and the bosses have gone to there offices 13:2 looks fine to me.

However, I would still be mucking in this spot, so I guess to answer your original question, no 6.5:1 is not enough for me here.

Re: 3/6 ATo with tough board
 

Easy call preflop, bet/fold the turn.

You checked into 3 other opponents who will likely bet a ton of different hands/draws (especially since you showed weakness) and then you assume you are behind when it is bet. This is pretty bad.

Also, you don't have a club in your hand which makes the turn even more of a bet. You basically gave up the pot after your flop bet was called.

Haupt_234

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Easy call preflop, bet/fold the turn.

You checked into 3 other opponents who will likely bet a ton of different hands/draws (especially since you showed weakness) and then you assume you are behind when it is bet. This is pretty bad.

Also, you don't have a club in your hand which makes the turn even more of a bet. You basically gave up the pot after your flop bet was called.

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I couldn't agree more. You must bet the turn. If you get raised, I would fold, but if you don't, you leave yourself open to a bet by a draw, or a worse ace/pair. You could give a free card to a lone club to freeroll on you.