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9/11 revisited


http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...81991288263801

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This has never been posted1 BRAND NEW INFORMATION! PLEASE KILL YOURSELF!

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tl;dw

Ray

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wow, [censored] they are really coming out to put you to the test

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Exactly, ban OP.

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Somehow I think the thread entitled "For lovers of conspiracy theories" has only been viewed and responded to by people who are haters of conspiracy theories.

The irony of OOT rises again...

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DIE

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Anybody with a reasonable level of intelligence can see how 9/11 benefited not only bush, but anyone with significant power the entire world over. Loose change? Forget it, forget all these videos because although SOME have decent things to say a biased mind will choose to ignore it. You have to help people understand what the patriot act is, how it is being used and what they are capable of doing with it. You have to help people see what exactly a national ID card means for our society. You cant just say BUSH DID 9/11 OMG ILLUMINATI RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!! You have to make people understand in a way that wont immediately shock them because when you attempt to change the way someone has thought about life for a long time they will oppose it violently, they will not listen and they will hate you for it. When you explain how under the patriot act they have classified a terrorist crime as a misdeamenor, how they are now able to search your home, tap your phone lines, jail you indefinitly without due process not even telling your family where you are in addition to all the other things just because your crime may have "endangered human life in violation of state or federal law". When you help people see how the constitution has been destroyed completely by the patriot act 1 and 2 then they will take you seriously. This is fact no BS or conspiracy theory the constitution has been decimated.

Furthermore when you tell people about the National ID which will become manditory in a couple years, which every citizen will have to carry at all times complete with RFID chip which will have all your vital information stored on it so that any one with a reader will be able to access it. How the chip gives off a number specific to you and when you are within the vicinity of said reader they know where exactly you are, they will be able to track us at all times. Understand how terrorism is being used to take our freedoms away from us, understand how every time there has been a terrorist act in recent memory, goverments the world over pass legislation that further takes away our basic human rights. Fight for your freedom, dont just sit and watch it happen please.

Im not conspiracy theroist and I hate that term, I just look at the facts and see how they connect and wow am I scared, funny how a 20 year old can realize this but we have people who go through there lives blind to it all.

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Anybody with a reasonable level of intelligence can see how 9/11 benefited not only bush, but anyone with significant power the entire world over. Loose change? Forget it, forget all these videos because although SOME have decent things to say a biased mind will choose to ignore it. You have to help people understand what the patriot act is, how it is being used and what they are capable of doing with it. You have to help people see what exactly a national ID card means for our society. You cant just say BUSH DID 9/11 OMG ILLUMINATI RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!! You have to make people understand in a way that wont immediately shock them because when you attempt to change the way someone has thought about life for a long time they will oppose it violently, they will not listen and they will hate you for it. When you explain how under the patriot act they have classified a terrorist crime as a misdeamenor, how they are now able to search your home, tap your phone lines, jail you indefinitly without due process not even telling your family where you are in addition to all the other things just because your crime may have "endangered human life in violation of state or federal law". When you help people see how the constitution has been destroyed completely by the patriot act 1 and 2 then they will take you seriously. This is fact no BS or conspiracy theory the constitution has been decimated.

Furthermore when you tell people about the National ID which will become manditory in a couple years, which every citizen will have to carry at all times complete with RFID chip which will have all your vital information stored on it so that any one with a reader will be able to access it. How the chip gives off a number specific to you and when you are within the vicinity of said reader they know where exactly you are, they will be able to track us at all times. Understand how terrorism is being used to take our freedoms away from us, understand how every time there has been a terrorist act in recent memory, goverments the world over pass legislation that further takes away our basic human rights. Fight for your freedom, dont just sit and watch it happen please.

Im not conspiracy theroist and I hate that term, I just look at the facts and see how they connect and wow am I scared, funny how a 20 year old can realize this but we have people who go through there lives blind to it all.

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Anybody with a reasonable level of intelligence can see how 9/11 benefited not only bush, but anyone with significant power the entire world over. Loose change? Forget it, forget all these videos because although SOME have decent things to say a biased mind will choose to ignore it. You have to help people understand what the patriot act is, how it is being used and what they are capable of doing with it. You have to help people see what exactly a national ID card means for our society. You cant just say BUSH DID 9/11 OMG ILLUMINATI RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!! You have to make people understand in a way that wont immediately shock them because when you attempt to change the way someone has thought about life for a long time they will oppose it violently, they will not listen and they will hate you for it. When you explain how under the patriot act they have classified a terrorist crime as a misdeamenor, how they are now able to search your home, tap your phone lines, jail you indefinitly without due process not even telling your family where you are in addition to all the other things just because your crime may have "endangered human life in violation of state or federal law". When you help people see how the constitution has been destroyed completely by the patriot act 1 and 2 then they will take you seriously. This is fact no BS or conspiracy theory the constitution has been decimated.

Furthermore when you tell people about the National ID which will become manditory in a couple years, which every citizen will have to carry at all times complete with RFID chip which will have all your vital information stored on it so that any one with a reader will be able to access it. How the chip gives off a number specific to you and when you are within the vicinity of said reader they know where exactly you are, they will be able to track us at all times. Understand how terrorism is being used to take our freedoms away from us, understand how every time there has been a terrorist act in recent memory, goverments the world over pass legislation that further takes away our basic human rights. Fight for your freedom, dont just sit and watch it happen please.

Im not conspiracy theroist and I hate that term, I just look at the facts and see how they connect and wow am I scared, funny how a 20 year old can realize this but we have people who go through there lives blind to it all.

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Um care to explain how so? Honestly this is just what I was talking about, I tried to make it as easy as I could for you to understand and you resort to name calling. Why dont you try telling me what exactly about my post is wrong.

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Um care to explain how so? Honestly this is just what I was talking about, I tried to make it as easy as I could for you to understand and you resort to name calling. Why dont you try telling me what exactly about my post is wrong.

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"Who benefits?" doesn't equal proof.

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RedAces7, LEAD THE FIGHT!! WE'RE RIGHT BEHIND YOU!! TAKE IT TO THE STREETS!!!!

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here is a better link than the one in the op
FREE, FULL LENGHT ALEX JONES DOCUMENTARIES
Documentaries for download include the documentary that started it all, "911: The Road to tyranny", plus "Police State 3: Total Enslavement" and many more films exposing the new world order.

If you want to discuss the new world order, how to fight it
NWO Watcher Forum

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srry guess im still to stooopid and ignant, but i don't see how the patriot act has decimated the Constitution, nor do I hear any news about a national ID card, so that pretty much means I think your entire post is wrong

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Um care to explain how so? Honestly this is just what I was talking about, I tried to make it as easy as I could for you to understand and you resort to name calling. Why dont you try telling me what exactly about my post is wrong.

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That's the problem right there. We still didn't understand. Dumb it down even more for us, genius.

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Hey dude, I wear my tinfoil hat shiney-side-out, but you can't start with the Patriot Act either. That one sounds extra tinfoily. Oil seizure is probably the best way to kick things off.

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Ok guys ill explain it. Patriot act is easy as anything to prove because you can go right online and read it. You see what makes the patriot act so bad is the defintion they have used for a terrorist. Now you ask anyone what a terrorist is and theyll say its someone who wants to kill large amounts of people because of religious or idealogical beliefs right? Well under the patriot act it lists a terrorist as "Anyone who endangers human life in violation of state or federal law" which as you can well imagine can be used to a whole assortment of crimes, its very vague. Now if you unsure of what they can do to you if you found guilty of this its anything they want not limited to searching your home and tapping your phones with out your knowledge in addition to jailing you indefinitly without due process, in fact they do not have to tell your family where you are. Theres a whole host of other things of course (death penalty can be used, they dont need warrants, they can take all your possesions, no statute of limitations, lifetime parole)but that gives you a good idea I think. Really I hadnt read it in awhile but it sends shivers up my spine to just read what they can do. Its scary.

Guys when I explain this to people they say "Ok yea so what our goverment wouldnt do that" and that is about as dumb a thing as ive ever heard. We cannot let our government have this kind of power over us! The fact is they CAN do this to us, they can apply these draconian measures if they choose too. So speeding? You are endangering life. Get caught with a small amount of drugs, yep you guessed it endangered human life. It doesnt matter how stupid it sounds or how small of crimes these are, the simple truth is under the patriot act 1 and 2 the goverment can now do whatever they want to whoever they want perfectly legally as they see fit......

National ID hmmm maybe you havent heard of it because they passed it without even it making the news. Funny something this important doesnt even make the newspapers or headline news. It will become mandatory in 2008 I believe and it will be a crime for you not to have it on you at all times. Still with me good because heres the awful truth about it. For starters it will have a RFID chip(Radio Frequency Identification) that has a specific number unique to all citizens. Now these chips are activated when they are close to a reader. Which means that if they choose to put these readers all over our society they will be able TO TRACK US AT ALL TIMES. No joke this is not a joke people its fact. Second it will also have a biometric strip with all your vital info on it, not just age,height,weight but also criminal and medical history and who knows what else. Again go find the bill read it(of course they dont count on this because most people cant be bothered to read through these huge bills) but people have and they are letting everyone know what exactly is going on.

So basically to the replies.

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srry guess im still to stooopid and ignant, but i don't see how the patriot act has decimated the Constitution, nor do I hear any news about a national ID card, so that pretty much means I think your entire post is wrong



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NP I know that you will understand now.

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Yes if I was going on about things which I provided no proof for then yea that makes me a idiot but the patriot act and national ID are for real.

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No it does not, and I do not want to make unsubstantiated claims so will just say its my opinion that whenever theres a terrorist act in any major country it seems strange to me that they are increasingly taking away our rights using legislation they have has ready for some time.

Heres a quote for you by Benjamin Franklin

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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

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Any questions thanks.

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So the gvt knows where are you are. So what? What are you so afraid of? Do you think that when someone becomes a politician they are automatically evil and can't wait to opress their citizens. This is the problem with conspiracy theorists, they are too scared for no reason.

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So the gvt knows where are you are. So what? What are you so afraid of? Do you think that when someone becomes a politician they are automatically evil and can't wait to opress their citizens. This is the problem with conspiracy theorists, they are too scared for no reason.

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I understand what you're saying, and I've had people use this argument with me before. It doesn't matter whether they will or not. The fact that they can is a breach of your freedom, don't you think? Did you not flinch when they made GPS' manditory in all cell phones?

Do you think it is right for each citizen to be able to be tracked at all times? Forget about who would care where you are. Is that right?

The problem with most people is that they won't speak up about something unless it affects them directly. That obviously makes much of our goverment policy subject to becoming a very slippery slope...

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Right now I am living with my parents and going to HS. From there I will be in the Army. What freedom? :P

Think of it positively. If you are in danger, they can find you easier.

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Um care to explain how so? Honestly this is just what I was talking about, I tried to make it as easy as I could for you to understand and you resort to name calling. Why dont you try telling me what exactly about my post is wrong.

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Your last line is exactly why you're an idiot. When you tell everyone "I am right, and there is no way for me to be wrong" is the EXACT same thing as someone who will never believe Bush benefited from 9/11, or someone who will always believe in God.

Just because your *OPINION* differs from a majority doesn't mean you are RIGHT 100%. Guess what, your opinion on the matter is pretty much as accurate as anyone else's who wasn't directly involved. You will NEVER EVER *know* exactly what happened or why.

Get over yourself.

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Right now I am living with my parents and going to HS. From there I will be in the Army. What freedom? :P

Think of it positively. If you are in danger, they can find you easier.

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Okay, at least I now understand where you are coming from.

I can guarantee you, that being found "if you are in danger" will never come into play for most people.

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Why dont you tell me what is wrong with my post as in everything I posted about the patriot act and national ID is true. I dont care what you believe or if you agree with me on anything at all except this. This is so important so when I say that all im trying to say is everything I posted about these 2 bills is true ok thanks. Dont worry though I can see how you misunderstood this.

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Sources on ID please.

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Why dont you tell me what is wrong with my post as in everything I posted about the patriot act and national ID is true. I dont care what you believe or if you agree with me on anything at all except this. This is so important so when I say that all im trying to say is everything I posted about these 2 bills is true ok thanks. Dont worry though I can see how you misunderstood this.

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Jesus [censored] Christ!

You are the dumbest smart person alive.

I completely understand what you are saying, believe me.

My argument IS:

You *cannot* and *should not* believe you know the 100% on this situation. You *cannot* say "I am RIGHT, I know all" because that makes you no better than the conservative right. Can you SEE this? DO YOU SEE WHY?

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First off dont use that term any longer Conspiracy theorist, at least when you apply it to me because I am using facts here. Second yes I am scared because I have read the patriot act. Frankly I dont care wtf our goverment does with terrorists THAT IS if they are guilty of premeditating the murders of innocent people for there beliefs, but when they are able to use all these powers on Americans then they have crossed the line.
Ask yourself if they didnt intend to use this on us then why such a vague defintion? Why not have what we all believe a terrorist is? Dude you can be arrested without due process, detained indefinitly and executed for a misdeamenor. Again its not whether or not our government would do that, its that now they can! Thats why our constitiution has been destroyed because the measures are not in place for them to do whatever they want to whomever they want.

Also if anyone is new to this thread please read my explanation of the patriot act and National idea on PAGE 2. Thanks.

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What do you need to know about the ID and I will get it for you.

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Proof that the plan is in motion or will be soon.

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OK the bill would be to hard to understand here is a link to a CNN online article talkign about the bill passing and also bringing up many of its problems I outlined.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/12/ramasastry.ids/

The actual Bill, although confusing can be found here
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.1268:

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So does this mean that poker is rigged?

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ill keep it civil.

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Well under the patriot act it lists a terrorist as "Anyone who endangers human life in violation of state or federal law" which as you can well imagine can be used to a whole assortment of crimes, its very vague.

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Hey, this actually isn't the definition of terrorist in the PATRIOT Act. The real definition has 2 elements: (a) an illegal act dangerous to human life; AND AND AND (b) be intended to coerce a civilian population or influence a gov't or gov't policy. So, you can relax. You're welcome.

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My first one. I am definately going to start using this more often.

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"Your Welcome" No sir im sorry for what exactly am I thankful to you for? Oh I see your refering to the first patriot act, but not patriot act 2 which under section 501 further broadens the definition of a terrorist into someone who violates ANY part of section 802 in the original patriot act(the section with the two definitions you posted). So you see yes your correct those are both being used for the defintion of a terrorist under the first patriot act but now under the second they have changed it to someone who violates ANY part of the first. Now you see where you went wrong, simple mistake no harm done.

Emonrad please sir what is it that im saying that has drove you to first call me a moron and now ignore me. Everything I have posted has been true, everything about the patriot act and everything about the ID card. If you cared about America you would care about this because it concerns all of us. I hope someone can convey this message to him because I am obviously trying to educate you and help you with this.

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"Your Welcome" No sir im sorry for what exactly am I thankful to you for? Oh I see your refering to the first patriot act, but not patriot act 2 which under section 501 further broadens the definition of a terrorist into someone who violates ANY part of section 802 in the original patriot act(the section with the two definitions you posted). So you see yes your correct those are both being used for the defintion of a terrorist under the first patriot act but now under the second they have changed it to someone who violates ANY part of the first. Now you see where you went wrong, simple mistake no harm done.

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1) Your posts are unreadable.
2) This belongs in Politics.
3) We've already had a dozen or so threads on this subject. Please learn to use the search function.

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Dear Red Aces,
Go burn your bra you hippy
Sincerely,
HitHard69

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Ok Hopey I think this is better here because alot of the posters probaly dont frequent the politics forum, and based on how many people have no idea about this information I would say that it would also educate more people here.

HitHard69 I that love the constitution and all that this country stands for and for me to see all they are doing to change our way of life, it angers me and I want to let people know what is going on. If loving your country makes me a hippy that I stand guilty as charged.

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Seriously bro... you're the typical 20 year old college liberal nut. Lets protest the war! I hate Bush! I'm sure you had a hadcore liberal teacher brainwash you in a public high school to think this way, so I forgive you. Learn to think for yourself as opposed to what some of the nutjobs you hang out with cram down your throat.