JTo vs loose limper
 

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Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, MP calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (5.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP calls.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

Re: JTo vs loose limper
 

Nice job.

Re: JTo vs loose limper
 

Without a read, I'd let it go on the flop. Pot's pretty tiny, a lot of our outs are tainted.

Re: JTo vs loose limper
 

I'd be inclined to raise the turn for value since his stop and go doesn't really scare me and I now have TP. When he takes this line he's more likely to have an 8,7,T9,66 or something else we now beat.

Re: JTo vs loose limper
 

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I'd be inclined to raise the turn for value since his stop and go doesn't really scare me and I now have TP. When he takes this line he's more likely to have an 8,7,T9,66 or something else we now beat.

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How would you handle it if you got three-bet? Does this influence our decision at all to raise?

Re: JTo vs loose limper
 

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Without a read, I'd let it go on the flop. Pot's pretty tiny, a lot of our outs are tainted.

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How many outs do you think we have (on the flop)?

Re: JTo vs loose limper
 

I think fold preflop. The rest looks good.

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I'd play it as 5-6 outs, so 5.5 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

It's hard for me to exactly quantify outs in situations like these, actually, since out J and T outs could be dominated and set us up to be redrawn if they're not dominated. I don't really want to see a spade come up.

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How would you handle it if you got three-bet? Does this influence our decision at all to raise?

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Yes it will influence the decision to raise but it should only be one of the factors going into the decision. I think we've got the best hand here most of the time and aren't getting 3 bet often enough to upset this.

When we do get 3 bet it sucks because we're getting 8.75:1 making whatever decision we choose close. So if we're uncomfortable making a close decision vs an unknown we shouldn't raise.

I would call though and fold the river UI.

Re: JTo vs loose limper
 

Does anybody raise this PF?

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What is the idea behind the flop raise? Free card play?

What is the idea of not raising the turn when you make one of your possible hands? Do you think MP's donk after your flop raise indicates he has better than top pair most of the time?