call or fold?
 

I thought I might be ahead here. Anybody find a call? Villain is yoguh12 - 24.02 17.49 3.51 AF stats. We get into a lot of confrontations. I don't remember seeing make a buff like this before though if it is a bluff - but I can't figure what hand would play like this. I didn't think he would check behind the turn with 2 pair or better.



Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $380
UTG+1: $453
Hero: $2105
Button: $3742.76
SB: $1920
BB: $960

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $80</font>, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($190, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $140</font>, Button calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($470, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($470, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $420</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises all-in $3522.76</font>,


On the flop, I should have folded. However, I'm on the turn now and have top 2 pair. I'm not worried about the guy who just moved in - my donk radar is going off for him. The SB is loloTRICKDu one of the biggest winners in the game - he had been playing pretty solid. Is this a fold or call on the turn?

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $2209
UTG+1: $2712
CO: $1970
Hero: $2000
SB: $2964
BB: $3026.44

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $80</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($260, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $250</font>, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($1010, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG is all-in $1879</font>, <font color="#cc0000">

Re: call or fold?
 

call both... hand 1 is vry oppl specific imo tho.

Re: call or fold?
 

in hand 1 i would expect to see the nuts fairly often i think.

i tend to find that when there's no flush draw and people put in weird action on the river they tend to have what they're representing.

Re: call or fold?
 

yes he played hand 1 just like the nuts, checking the turn to allow you to overvalue your hand, and possibly pay him off. hand 2 is a call imo, cant imagine lolo having anything that you dont beat. and yes, my donk radar would be screaming "AK AK AK" at me as well.

Re: call or fold?
 

Buddy, I fold hand one and call hand 2. I think you might be against Q8 in hand one - or he might be getting tricky with 65. Unless he has shown a propensity of making some weird bluffs, I can't imagine you being ahead.

In the second hand, I would imagine that you are against AK/AQ from the donk, and while lolo might have you beat, I think you are ahead of him way more often than the roughly 30% of the time that you need to be to make this call.

Re: call or fold?
 

I love yoguh [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Re: call or fold?
 

Hand 1 ~ I fold, the button call can be a variety of hands that beats you here.

Hand 2 ~ I call this, it's probably an ovd'ed AK/AQ or a rebluff with a FD, you're ahead most of the time here.

Re: call or fold?
 

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in hand 1 i would expect to see the nuts fairly often i think.


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I agree. Yoguh plays his made hands very tricky. This line here suggests to me that he has the nuts. Fold and feel good about it.

Hand 2 is a call.

Re: call or fold?
 

What do the people advocating a call in hand 2 suggest lolo overcalled the flop bet with? I'm not exactly familiar with how he plays sets, but I think 47 is probably also possible. He may have a lower aces up and I probably wouldn't fold this hand either since it's so likely you have the UTG player beat but I'm interested to hear peoples thoughts on this.

Re: call or fold?
 

hand 1 he could have 9T, 9J... or he could have 77 44 56... more hand combos for the latter hands and more of a chance he plays them that way. actually he could play 55, 66 that way too, or even 33 or 22

Re: call or fold?
 

1. You're beat. Certainly looks like nuts or a set unless this guy is a bluff monkey.

2. Donk has AK and lolo flopped the nuts or a set. Fold unless you have reason to believe lolo is overcalling without a monster. You can only beat 46, otherwise you're toast.

Re: call or fold?
 

i would fold both

Re: call or fold?
 

Why fold hand 2? You're behind sets only, which I would think are unlikely with the UTG raise unless he has aces...........

Re: call or fold?
 

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Why fold hand 2? You're behind sets only, which I would think are unlikely with the UTG raise unless he has aces...........

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Lolo can easily overcall a set on that flop.