Possible reason for Manning\'s failure in playoffs
 

People might know this already, but I'll throw this out there anyway. Since the San Diego game, everyone has been saying Peyton Manning has trouble when under a lot of pressure. This is no suprise as most quarterbacks will have similar problems. One thing about the playoffs is intensity and the speed up of the game increase. Peyton is horrible when blitzed, if he doesn't have time to sit in the pocket he's almost helpless. In yesterdays game, the majority of Peyton's long completions came when the Steelers rushed 3 and dropped 8. The Steelers went back to blitzing when it was 21-18 and the came up with 2 quick sacks. I'm aware that Pittsburgh blitzes almost more than most teams, but I'm skeptical if Peyton Manning can succeed (win a SB) under the intensity and speed of playoff games.

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I dunno, teams blitz in the regular season too. I remember the Packers game last September when they rushed about 7 guys on every play and gave up like 50 points. Granted the Packers defense sucks, but still they got lots of pressure and hit #18 frequently. The QB was just better & more accurate.
I really don't think there's a rational explanation for it other than him & Vanderchoke are just choke artists.

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When the Patriots beat Indy, the Pats didn't blitz at all -- they dropped a ton of people into coverage every play.

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You couldn't find a way to fit this in to any of the 5 threads that already existed?

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When the Patriots beat Indy, the Pats didn't blitz at all -- they dropped a ton of people into coverage every play.

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Yes, that too. And Jacksonville as well.

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Peyton is probably the best quarterback in the NFL when blitzed

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FYP. Does that change your opinion?

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Peyton is horrible when blitzed, if he doesn't have time to sit in the pocket he's almost helpless.

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This was never more evident than on that crucial fourth down play on the Colts' second-to-last series. Peyton lined up in the shotgun so that he wouldn't have to drop back (which was smart), but as soon as he got the ball from center, he saw the pressure coming, and turned his back and started running (slowly). As soon as he turned his back, that play was over. Manning isn't going to outrun anybody and was sacked after he took about four steps.

I think most QBs in that situation would stand in there that extra split second, throw a quick pass, and take the hit. Not Manning. For some reason, he gave up on the play almost as soon as he got the ball. I agree that Manning will never win in the playoffs until he learns how to handle pressure.

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Peyton is probably the best quarterback in the NFL when blitzed



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FYP. Does that change your opinion?

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Did you watch the game? How can he not even throw the ball on fourth down with 1:20 left and his team behind? A 20-yard interception is way better than a sack there, but Manning didn't even attempt to throw the ball. No way you can say that Manning is the best in the NFL when blitzed after watching that spectacle yesterday.

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Peyton is horrible when blitzed, if he doesn't have time to sit in the pocket he's almost helpless.

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This was never more evident than on that crucial fourth down play on the Colts' second-to-last series. Peyton lined up in the shotgun so that he wouldn't have to drop back (which was smart), but as soon as he got the ball from center, he saw the pressure coming, and turned his back and started running (slowly). As soon as he turned his back, that play was over. Manning isn't going to outrun anybody and was sacked after he took about four steps.

I think most QBs in that situation would stand in there that extra split second, throw a quick pass, and take the hit. Not Manning. For some reason, he gave up on the play almost as soon as he got the ball. I agree that Manning will never win in the playoffs until he learns how to handle pressure.

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It was 4th and 16 on that play. What was Manning supposed to do? Dump it off to the RB and hope the guy gets the first down? He had to throw the ball downfield and he ran back hoping to buy time for a WR to get downfield.

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Peyton is horrible when blitzed, if he doesn't have time to sit in the pocket he's almost helpless.

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This was never more evident than on that crucial fourth down play on the Colts' second-to-last series. Peyton lined up in the shotgun so that he wouldn't have to drop back (which was smart), but as soon as he got the ball from center, he saw the pressure coming, and turned his back and started running (slowly). As soon as he turned his back, that play was over. Manning isn't going to outrun anybody and was sacked after he took about four steps.

I think most QBs in that situation would stand in there that extra split second, throw a quick pass, and take the hit. Not Manning. For some reason, he gave up on the play almost as soon as he got the ball. I agree that Manning will never win in the playoffs until he learns how to handle pressure.



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It was 4th and 16 on that play. What was Manning supposed to do? Dump it off to the RB and hope the guy gets the first down? He had to throw the ball downfield and he ran back hoping to buy time for a WR to get downfield.

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Watch the play again. Manning didn't backpedal. He turned his back and started running. No QB can complete a pass downfield when his back is turned. Manning gave up on the play right from the start.

What he should have done is stood in there for another half-second and then loft one downfield up for grabs. That's better than taking a sack at his own 2 on fourth down. Dumping it off to Edgerrin James is also a better option than taking a sack. Out of those three options (loft it, dump it off, take the sack), Manning chose the worst one. Horrible.

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I'd REALLY like to know who's gimmick account this is.

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Kind of a hand waving argument.

If all teams had to do was blitz Manning, he wouldn't be the number 1 passing QB in the league.

BTW, his passing rating yesterday was 91 - a pretty good game.

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Manning is one of the best qbs in the nfl when blitzed. The problem is he, like every other qb in the nfl, does not do well when there are five guys in his face.

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BTW, his passing rating yesterday was 91 - a pretty good game.

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I wonder what it would be if the Polamolu interception hadn't been overturned.

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"It takes time to move on from a game like this, make peace with the football gods and move on to next season," Manning said Sunday.

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Manning is on the right track, but still doesn't get it. The football gods have put an eternal curse on the Colts for back-stabbing their fans.

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Manning is THE best qb in the nfl when blitzed. The problem is he, like every other qb in the nfl, does not do well when there are five guys in his face.

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Anyone who thinks otherwise just needs to check the stats over the last few years. His passing numbers against the blitz are far and above any one else. I can't find anything online right now, but remember watching a Sportscenter report that said this exact thing.

The key to beating the Colts offense is the same as beating any offense where the QB is the key. Get the QB on the ground as much as possible. It worked for the Broncos vs. the Patriots Saturday. It's worked for the Patriots in years past vs. the Colts and Rams. It is what brought that prolific Rams offense down after everyone figured out how to beat it. And it forced Spurrier out of the NFL after two years. If you don't protect the QB your offense will struggle no matter who is playing QB.

As for the 4th and 16 play, there really is no point in throwing it up after allowing the WRs to run for all of 1 second because the only players that will see the ball are defenders. Manning needed to hopefully buy a couple seconds and to do that he had to run as fast as he could. Well we all know he can't run that fast and he got sacked. If Manning winds up moving out of the pocket and heaving it downfield you guys would still say he screwed it up, so on 4th and 16 and a guy in his face there is absolutely nothing Manning could've done to impress anyone that is already biased against him.

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Schwartzy,

This year plummer and brady have been pretty good as well.

The problem for the Colts was that their O-Line got dominated, plain and simple. The team just can't handle graet bullrushing like was shown in the san diego and ptitsburgh games.

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Since Manning is the one gyrating and pointing out where blitzes are coming from on every play, part of the line's failure is on him.

Even when there wasn't pressure on him, he had numerous throws that were just way off.

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Since Manning is the one gyrating and pointing out where blitzes are coming from on every play, part of the line's failure is on him.

Even when there wasn't pressure on him, he had numerous throws that were just way off.

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It's not like the O-Line were missing their assignments and failing to pick up guys - they were just getting run over.

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BTW, his passing rating yesterday was 91 - a pretty good game.

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I wonder what it would be if the Polamolu interception hadn't been overturned.

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Or if that false start on the Steelers would've been called and Peyton would've taken over after a punt with momentum. Over all the refs were second only to the Colts in costing the colts this game.

Cody

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Since Manning is the one gyrating and pointing out where blitzes are coming from on every play, part of the line's failure is on him.

Even when there wasn't pressure on him, he had numerous throws that were just way off.

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"...We had some protection problems out there"-PM

Now if you like Peyton of course you'll say "he's including himself" and if you don't like Peyton then "he's just saying we to throw his line under the bus".

When I first heard it I thought it was awful timing and a bad thing to say, now it's really just about the timing for me, but at least he was stating fact. Still bad, but really a non-issue.

Cody

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I'm not really bitching about the call here. The point is Manning threw a pass that should have been picked, and if it had been is rating would probably have dropped considerably so saying he had a decent game because he had a 90 passer rating isn't a great argument.

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I'm not really bitching about the call here. The point is Manning threw a pass that should have been picked, and if it had been is rating would probably have dropped considerably so saying he had a decent game because he had a 90 passer rating isn't a great argument.

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I agree with you, and what I was saying is that if another botched call get's changed, the stats change again. It's not really important, in any case, thus my joke.

Cody

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BTW, his passing rating yesterday was 91 - a pretty good game.

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I wonder what it would be if the Polamolu interception hadn't been overturned.

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Or if that false start on the Steelers would've been called and Peyton would've taken over after a punt with momentum. Over all the refs were second only to the Colts in costing the colts this game.

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The refs definitely dicked over the Steelers more than the Colts:

Polamalu had definitely one (and possibly two) interceptions.
There was a non call on the pass interference against Randel El.
In that false start situation (which they missed), they decided to give a "redo 4th down" even though, if they didn't see any movement by either team (which clearly they hadn't), it should have been encroachment.

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There is no doubt Manning is the best quarterback in the league. A lot of the people responding missed the point of my original post. Maybe it wasn't clear, but there is a difference to regular season football and playoff football (yesterday's game is an example). I'm not only talking about the blitz against Manning, but I'm talking about the entire speed and intensity of the game. I don't think Manning has successfully adapted to the speed/intensity of playoff football.

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"There is no doubt Manning is the best quarterback in the league. "

There is alot of doubt.

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yeah, tom brady is all WASSUP! and then carson palmer's like don't forget about me! ow, my knee hurts! and then jake plummer's like, i need to shave! and then ben roethlisberger's like yeah, so do I! and then everyone goes, stfu n00b!

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alex smith says holla, look at my hands:

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it's funny, 'cause people said daunte culpepper had small hands too. when daunte wasn't putting up an awesome season, he was fumbling 300 times too.

alex smith, whoamg is he going nowhere. <font color="white">(he still would've done better than brady. ohhhhhhhhhhhhh burn)</font>

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"It takes time to move on from a game like this, make peace with the football gods and move on to next season," Manning said Sunday.

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Manning is on the right track, but still doesn't get it. The football gods have put an eternal curse on the Colts for back-stabbing their fans.



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I can't believe I'm saying this, but you might be right. That would explain alot.

Cody