Microlimits infested by tight germans
 

While trying to build myself a new bankroll at the micros I was wondering why those tables where infested by so many tight and aggressive germans.

I found the answer yesterday. There's a german site named 'Pokerstrategy' operated by an English Ltd. It seems that this site advertises at universities throughout germany to cater players to party. It starts them off with a small bankroll and advice copied from the 2+2 books (they named their sources). This leads to (overly) tight and very aggressive play by these players trying to build their roll. I think it sucks as it makes building my bankroll tougher.

Just wanted to share in case someone else was wondering where all those tight germans are coming from.

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As long as they stay away from 3/6 NL im happy.

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Interesting, there's a guy who plays high limits on party named "pokstrategy2" from hamburg, I take it he's one of the founders...

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That might well be the case. The seemingly founder claims to play in high limits and B&M events discussed on that site are often near hamburg.

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Sounds like there is a German Blitzkrieg woflenstomppin all over your Party microlimits that you like to play.

Solution?

Don't play at Party.

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As long as they stay away from 3/6 NL im happy.

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Wait until the makers of the site have digested and translated the new NL book. You won't like it, I guess.

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Sounds like there is a German Blitzkrieg woflenstomppin all over your Party microlimits that you like to play.

Solution?

Don't play at Party.

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Hah, little do you know! .5/1 are small stakes in my terminology and way above my roll (and i suck at them .5BB/100)! I am talking about .05/.1, .1/.2, .25/.5 stars tables (I pwn these with 4.5BB/100@30k hands, and no it's not variance, it's ALL SKILL [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ! These are infested by them due to a former bonus program of that site.

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you could go to some other site.

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you could go to some other site.

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That's not really neccessary. Their strategy (even tighter than advocated by SSH & HPFAP) is well known, they are easily spotable, they don't defend their blinds, but they just don't bleed as many chips as LPPs whom I would prefer at the tables.

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I met some German girls in Costa Rica and they were not that tight, unfortunately. Maybe because they were the type who would travel out of the country, I dunno.

-Michael

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Interesting, there's a guy who plays high limits on party named "pokstrategy2" from hamburg, I take it he's one of the founders...

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Time to level Hamburg, again.

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pokstrategy2 = M. Wahls, former chess champion (co-founder)
pokstrategy1 = password_is_1 = former starcraft player (founder)

good site with a lot of (good) informations, but I don\\\'t like it because it seems 95% of the players / forum members are (ex-)counterstrike or starcraft kiddies and every thread is like a bashing / dick measure contest.

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You forgot to mention that PS.de does give out a first-deposit Bonus at Party, I think its 75$ or even 100$.

The downside is that you have to play 7500 (!!!) hands to clear, as opposed to the "normal" Party deposit where you get 100$ for only 250 hands...

So I wouln't get too agitated, because anybody who gets the 100$ first-deposit bonus from pokerstrategy.de can't be really intelligent, and thus will never learn how to play good poker... [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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'yah tommy, before zee germans get there'

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pokstrategy2 = M. Wahls, former chess champion (co-founder)
pokstrategy1 = password_is_1 = former starcraft player (founder)

good site with a lot of (good) informations, but I don\\\'t like it because it seems 95% of the players / forum members are (ex-)counterstrike or starcraft kiddies and every thread is like a bashing / dick measure contest.

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kinda like a german nwp?

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I had to try the 05/1 game to check out what was going on. You were'nt kidding the tables are filled with aggressive germans.

In my oppinion they were a little more on the loose aggressive side though. They seemed to be a little bit confused when someone kept coming over the top of them all the time and this made them play even more aggressive (too aggressive).

Winning in these games should'nt be a problem although there are way more profitable playertypes to have at the table.

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pokstrategy2 = M. Wahls, former chess champion (co-founder)
pokstrategy1 = password_is_1 = former starcraft player (founder)

good site with a lot of (good) informations, but I don\\\'t like it because it seems 95% of the players / forum members are (ex-)counterstrike or starcraft kiddies and every thread is like a bashing / dick measure contest.

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kinda like a german nwp?

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I don't know nwp. Pokerstrategy is the largest site with approx. 22000 members in germany, they even make advertisement on TV.

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Pokerstrategy is the largest site with approx. 22000 members in germany, they even make advertisement on TV.

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Wha? The last few times I've been to Germany all they were showing on TV were ring tone and sex hotline ads. Only to be interrupted by 5 minute blocks of reality TV shows (pop idol, rock idol, big brother idol, shoe plattler idol, ...).
And even though I have to admit that I'm a German myself, I gave up on the German "culture" a long time ago.

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good site with a lot of (good) informations, but I don't like it because it seems 95% of the players / forum members are (ex-)counterstrike or starcraft kiddies and every thread is like a bashing / dick measure contest.

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Aaaaand the difference between them and 2+2 is what again? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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good site with a lot of (good) informations, but I don't like it because it seems 95% of the players / forum members are (ex-)counterstrike or starcraft kiddies and every thread is like a bashing / dick measure contest.

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Aaaaand the difference between them and 2+2 is what again? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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they do it in german and they aren't funny. never. ever.

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You forgot to mention that PS.de does give out a first-deposit Bonus at Party, I think its 75$ or even 100$.

The downside is that you have to play 7500 (!!!) hands to clear, as opposed to the "normal" Party deposit where you get 100$ for only 250 hands...

So I wouln't get too agitated, because anybody who gets the 100$ first-deposit bonus from pokerstrategy.de can't be really intelligent, and thus will never learn how to play good poker... [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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1) they make the players play for 100 years to cash out
2) you know who their players are
3) they're all basically foldbots

i don't see the problem... what's to stop you from stealing their blinds every orbit and laughing?

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i dont think you guys know who we are [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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sure they know, brockie [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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what the [censored], a former starcraft broodwar pro?

can i get an autograph?

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While trying to build myself a new bankroll at the micros I was wondering why those tables where infested by so many tight and aggressive germans.

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What is starcraft?

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they do it in german and they aren't funny. never. ever.

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Valid point although it's not related to the size of their dirk - it's an inherent german thing.

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they do it in german and they aren't funny. never. ever.

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Valid point although it's not related to the size of their dirk - it's an inherent german thing.

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Wir?? Nicht lustig?? Wie ist dann der?:
Eure [zensiert] sind bestimmt mindestens 15cm länger als unsere..

And since you are not very famous for being bilingual, here's the translation:

Us?? Not funny?? So how is this one?:
Your [censored] are most decidedly no less than 6 inches longer than ours.. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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its very easy... the founders give them a lot of information and stuff in the german language 100% translated from the englisch books, only some advanced stuff is not translated.

They get a 50$ starting bankroll and a 100$ bonus after 7500!!! raked hands.

They were told that any other forum, rakeback deals, bonuschasing in the lower limits and any other pokersite than party is absolutly crap and will steal their money.

so every post over other pokersites, bonus or forum is deleted and the user were banned.

Also the private messages in this forum were supervised and controlled by the admins so that no DANGER informations can
be exchanged.

All in all its the german sweet shop of poker and the owners take all the rake this community creates.

But this community has another interesting aspect, you can get their 50$ bonus and cash it out or try to double/tripple up on Blackjack and then cash out... [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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they do it in german and they arent funny. never. ever.

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Valid point although its not related to the size of their dirk - it is an inherent german thing.

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Wir?? Nicht lustig?? Wie ist dann der?:
Eure [zensiert] sind bestimmt mindestens 15cm länger als unsere..

And since you are not very famous for being bilingual, here is the translation:

Us?? Not funny?? So how is this one?:
Your [censored] are most decidedly no less than 6 inches longer than ours.. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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I would like to repeat myself:

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they do it in german and they are not funny. never. ever.

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pokstrategy2 = M. Wahls, former chess champion (co-founder)
pokstrategy1 = password_is_1 = former starcraft player (founder)

good site with a lot of (good) informations, but I don\\\'t like it because it seems 95% of the players / forum members are (ex-)counterstrike or starcraft kiddies and every thread is like a bashing / dick measure contest.

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kinda like a german nwp?

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Yes, they even have Steve Der Pimpenschlauten who scams all the top German high limit pros for thousands of Euros.

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Well, so let's give that thread s short subsumption until here:


<ul type="square"> [*]They translate 2+2 authors' books to german, don't cry out too loudly that those are not their own ideas to the beginners (although they name the sources).[*]They keep the advanced information to themselves.[*]They rip off the beginners by giving them a crappy bonus offer.[*]Michael Davis' sample of german girls traveling out of country, provides empirical evidence that these are not tight, unfortunately.[*]They censor any links to better (bonus) information.[*]They are not funny. Never. Ever.[*]They infest my beloved micro limits with tight and/or aggressive players and make it harder for me to rebuild my bankroll. (Yesterday was fun though. They loved to 4-bet-semibluff their straight or flush draws only to make and cap it again on the river when they were already drawing dead against my frequently flopped full houses. Can you say 55BB/100?)[/list]
Suggested solutions are
<ul type="square"> [*]Get away from their prefered sites (but hey, stars is MY prefered site. They should go away.)[*]Level Hamburg. Again. (Do not use nuclear weapons please, I'm living close to Hamburg.)[*]Steal their blinds. (But hey, LPPs give you big bets, so why settle for 1.5 SBs?)[*]Invent some sequel to starcraft, maybe cardcraft where you first have to invent 'advanced river skills' so you can make your hand; inventing 'calling lvl. 4' would make you an uberfish...[/list]
Basically I think they deserve to have a meeting with good old Al Capone Jr. so they can get their well deserved nut kicking.

BTW, they have this: Gambler's Little Helper and they hope 2+2 doesn't find out about it. It's a Table Selector for party. I haven't tried it AND I haven't checked it for spyware/malware. Maybe someone checks it out to see if it's useful. It comes only in german, but most words closely resemble their english translations.

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Sounds like there is a German Blitzkrieg woflenstomppin all over your Party microlimits that you like to play.

Solution?

Don't play at Party.

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Hah, little do you know! .5/1 are small stakes in my terminology and way above my roll (and i suck at them .5BB/100)! I am talking about .05/.1, .1/.2, .25/.5 stars tables (I pwn these with 4.5BB/100@30k hands, and no it's not variance, it's ALL SKILL [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ! These are infested by them due to a former bonus program of that site.

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Those are nano-limits, dude. That's where the homeless people play.

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Actually pokerstrategy consists of 44k members, and about 0.1% somehow plays well..
THe Microlimits with them are just fun to play cause they don't know what they do [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Those are nano-limits, dude. That's where the homeless people play.

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Got a dollar for a homeless war veteran, mister? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Got a dollar for a homeless war veteran, mister? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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[img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Actually pokerstrategy consists of 44k members, and about 0.1% somehow plays well..
THe Microlimits with them are just fun to play cause they don't know what they do [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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You mean, with 5$ sponsored starting money per player and less than 2 years they made around 50 good players (if we don't be too pessimistic than more)? This sounds really fishy, if you knwo what I mean... [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


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Awesome thread title.

PokerStrategy.org.uk (English)
 

I'm the founder of PokerStrategy.de / PokerStrategy.org.uk, so let me utter some words. Btw, I myself can be found in the 100/200 shorthanded games at PartyPoker under the name password_is_1

about it:

General Info:
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* Access to our extensive discussion boards


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I play the 100/200 at Party under the name password_is_1, before that my screenname was pokstrategy1