Best way to earn casino comps (poker doesnt count)
 

I need casino comps because they give out some VERY good stuff for very little comps.

I was thinking cardcounting BJ (but I suck at it)

Craps (i dont know about it), betting on pass is correct?

Please teach me some optimal strategy so I lose minimum EV while wagering maximum amount of $ while minimizing variance

thanks, i luv u all [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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What is your bankroll?

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I always understood that casinos give-out comp value at 1/3 your expected loss. So there's no way to "minimize EV loss" if you're playing up&up. Now, maybe you can bet big when the pitboss is watching and bet small otherwise, but I was under the impression that casinos are pretty good at guaging how you play.
-Sam

Note: another way to profit is to be comped things which have a higher value to you than cost to the casino. e.g. A free room on a Wed night doesn't have much marginal cost for the casino, but does have value to you.

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video poker is probably the best bang for the comp buck.

otherwise, just flat bet blackjack or the craps passline.

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I thought of another point: If the casino thinks you're playing poorly when you're really playing well, that can make them miscalculate, too. For instance, if you're playing -0.5% Blackjack as if you're a -5% Blackjack player, maybe you can profit via comps.

I bet the B&M forum has some threads on this, too. It's sorta what the forum's for. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
-Sam

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I dont think they watch how you play BJ and determine what to comp you. A a $100/hand player is the same if you hit on 18 or not in terms of comps. They just know how much they make for ever $100 bet overall and go by that. Im pretty sure about that but not %100.

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It is judged based on the amounts bet, not how you play. Unless you vary your bets dramatically, then they might keep an eye on you. Even though BJ is a good game to play, it is normally played very quickly. Sometimes a "slow table" can help you maximize comps while risking less money. Pai Gow is a decent game for comps if yu know how to play well. Bacarrat is fun with a full table, but it involves no strategy(dont tell the asians I said that). Video Poker has small edge with perfect play, but you better be spending mad cash in em to get anything better then free food.




u could always try Keno...GL

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Pai Gow is a decent game for comps if yu know how to play well.

[/ QUOTE ]Can't you ask the dealer to play your hand the house-way? And that's within a fraction of a percent of optimal? Seems it's easy to "play well".
-Sam

Now that I think about it, it'd slow the game down to ask the dealer for help every hand. It's not a fast game already, but this would slow it down even more. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Yea the dealer can do it for you. Anyone whos played poker will learn quick. Unlike most other table games, with pai gow you can win big on one hand. Ive seen a lady win 12k from a table min bet. Every house if different so get the low down before u sit down

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Unlike most other table games, with pai gow you can win big on one hand. Ive seen a lady win 12k from a table min bet.

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you're talking about the "fortune" side bet here, not the regular pai gow poker game. that side bet carries an additional house edge of 5-9% which negates any advantage of comp hustling (might as well play slots).

the slow pace and frequent ties in pai gow poker generally earns half the comp rate as other flat-bet table games.

you do not need to spend "mad cash" for VP comps. grinding at a 25c JoB machine at 1000 hands/hour is close to the same amount of gross action generated by a $25/hand blackjack player. and it's almost certain that the VP player will generate better comps with a lower bankroll requirement, and get better bounceback offers in the mail.

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Unlike most other table games, with pai gow you can win big on one hand. Ive seen a lady win 12k from a table min bet.

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you're talking about the "fortune" side bet here, not the regular pai gow poker game. that side bet carries an additional house edge of 5-9% which negates any advantage of comp hustling (might as well play slots).

the slow pace and frequent ties in pai gow poker generally earns half the comp rate as other flat-bet table games.

you do not need to spend "mad cash" for VP comps. grinding at a 25c JoB machine at 1000 hands/hour is close to the same amount of gross action generated by a $25/hand blackjack player. and it's almost certain that the VP player will generate better comps with a lower bankroll requirement, and get better bounceback offers in the mail.

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I think you're generally better off just paying for the stuff you want and playing the casino games you want. Then if you can get comped for your play, it's a bonus.

I'm not spending my Vegas time trying to grind out $6 an hour with high variance by playing super-fast and super-focused VP. I'm playing poker and having fun doing that, and then I'm playing pai gow and getting hammered while having fun.

This is a standard life +EV play.

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well said. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Having fun should be at top of the list. No loser wants to stare at a VP screen all day. Craps is by far the most entertaining game. Id go with craps. GL

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Having fun should be at top of the list. No loser wants to stare at a VP screen all day. Craps is by far the most entertaining game. Id go with craps. GL

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i take some mild offense to that. i, for one, am a loser who has stared at a video poker screen for circa 15-18 straight hours before. no food. no pee. no poop. no converstaion. just me chocked full of pepsi and nicotine.

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my bad, next time bring a catheter.

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my bad, next time bring a catheter.

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typically the casinos with the good video poker dont mind if you start a little puddle on the floor in front of the machine.
that way you can flick your cigarettes in there and dont have to dirty up an ash tray.

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Having fun should be at top of the list. No loser wants to stare at a VP screen all day. Craps is by far the most entertaining game. Id go with craps. GL

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i take some mild offense to that. i, for one, am a loser who has stared at a video poker screen for circa 15-18 straight hours before. no food. no pee. no poop. no converstaion. just me chocked full of pepsi and nicotine.

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it doesn't really sound like you "wanted" to do that [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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Having fun should be at top of the list. No loser wants to stare at a VP screen all day. Craps is by far the most entertaining game. Id go with craps. GL

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i take some mild offense to that. i, for one, am a loser who has stared at a video poker screen for circa 15-18 straight hours before. no food. no pee. no poop. no converstaion. just me chocked full of pepsi and nicotine.

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it doesn't really sound like you "wanted" to do that [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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the hallucinations after a session of video poker like that are awesome. in fact, i think i was more addicted to the hallucinations than the game after a while.

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I highly recommend the book Comp City. It should have exactly what you are looking for.

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for the person who began this thread take this to heart

DONT WORRY ABOUT TRYING TO EARN COMPS!!! look if you learn what and how to play you can make more than enough money to pay for your trip. and if your not making enough money to pay for your trip you either need to:
1. bring and bet more money
2. or purchase a less expensive trip

many people try to earn comps at hotels that are way out of your league. you wanna earn comps at big hotels you better be willing to bet lots of money (and i mean LOTS), if you don't have the extra money be satisfied with a comp at a cheap downtown hotel.

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but thats beside the point you shouldn't even be focusing on earning comps, like i said you can make more than enough money to pay for your trip don't get sucked into the trap.

casinos don't give out comps because it makes them feel good to help you out. they know what their doing, besides for the most part correct play in almost any game dosen't allow you to play long enough to earn comps. but hey its your money gl

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if you learn what and how to play you can make more than enough money to pay for your trip.

[/ QUOTE ]I'm interested in what you think these are. You're the guy that started "The Official Craps Thread" his first day on the forum.

Welcome to the forum. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
-Sam

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Can't you ask the dealer to play your hand the house-way? And that's within a fraction of a percent of optimal? Seems it's easy to "play well".
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Yes, but if you do it constantly, people are going to get very annoyed at you for holding up the game.

That said, Pai Gow tends to be a friendly game and the dealer will most definitely help you out if you need it. Other players will generally help you, as well.

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Can't you ask the dealer to play your hand the house-way? And that's within a fraction of a percent of optimal? Seems it's easy to "play well".
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Yes, but if you do it constantly, people are going to get very annoyed at you for holding up the game.

That said, Pai Gow tends to be a friendly game and the dealer will most definitely help you out if you need it. Other players will generally help you, as well.

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Most pai gow hands are pretty easy if you're a little bit smart and you understand the rules. You should know how to play hands with 0-3 pairs, because those are the easiest to learn, and they come up the most. if you get a complex one once in a while (e.g., two big pair and a straight, or something crazy with the joker), people will understand if you ask for help.

Also, as dlk9s points out, pai gow games tend to be pretty friendly and easygoing, so that's a plus.