Awkward spot out of position, 10/25, street by street
 

Villain seems like a solid winning TAG, hasn't showdown much and hasn't been out of line. I have been very LAGgy in the game, raising a lot of pots and playing pretty fast overall. This type of spot is still awkward for me, flopping a marginal hand after reraising pf OOP.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $25 BB (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP ($1247)
Button ($2719)
SB ($1394)
Hero ($4915)
UTG ($4495.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $85</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $265</font>, Button calls $180.

Flop: ($540) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero .. Bet/fold, check/call?

Re: Awkward spot out of position, 10/25, street by street
 

Ok maybe it's boring so far. I checked, he bet 375 and I called.

Turn was the 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Plan?

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How has the villain been responding to continuation bets? I usually just lead this flop for $425 and depending on how tight he is possibly just let it go. Your reraise preflop means that a checkraise is going to seriously bloat the pot; and a check call on this board basically means giving up since the villain will likely fire $1000 or so on any turn.

As played, I probably c/f the turn. If villain checks behind I lead the river for $750 and fold to any additional action.

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bet the flop here ... he's not going to give you any more money with a worse hand once you check-call but he might with a lower A if you lead out and he might try to raise with a pocket pair if he puts you on KK or JJ.

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who was this against, i don't hate checking the flop. i'd probably lead the turn.

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who was this against, i don't hate checking the flop. i'd probably lead the turn.

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It was against Boy. I played this hand super passive and gay.

I checked again, he checked behind, river was a 2o. I checked, he bet 650...

I thought i was gonna vomit after playing this hand. I freeze up too much OOP in spots like this.

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i lead flop for 2/3 pot

turn sucks

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i don't hate checking the flop. i'd probably lead the turn.

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That seems like a good line.

Kirk

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I usually just lead this flop for $425 and depending on how tight he is possibly just let it go.

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As played, I probably c/f the turn. If villain checks behind I lead the river for $750 and fold to any additional action.

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... that seems really bad from meta-game standpoint, given how aggressive these short-handed games usually are.

Kirk

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You are going to get 500 replies about why you should never check the flop for some reason.

I like your line depending on the last hundred hands of course, I would check and call the turn.

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You are going to get 500 replies about why you should never check the flop for some reason.

I like your line depending on the last hundred hands of course, I would check and call the turn.

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Then what's your plan for the riv?

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You are going to get 500 replies about why you should never check the flop for some reason.

I like your line depending on the last hundred hands of course, I would check and call the turn.

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Then what's your plan for the riv?

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I agree with Apathy's line. For river, check every time. For a club it really depends on recent history, either c/c or c/f I don't like a c/r ever except maybe on the Kc. For a blank, again depends leaning towards c/f if he's really nitty as originally described, for an unknown I'd tend towards c/c though.

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bet the turn

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bet the turn

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I like this, but what's the plan for the river if he just calls?

The more I think about it the less a move seems likely but what's the best way to avoid being moved off by a worse hand on the river? Is there one?

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its rarely a worry, how often do u think ur getting bluffed on the river?

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its rarely a worry, how often do u think ur getting bluffed on the river?

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They play pretty psycho aggro on UB...

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Can't see folding the river after playing it so passive post flop. Against one opponent I think check the flop is marginal, possibly +EV if you can induce a bluff, but multiway it is probably by far the best play. So FWIW I think flop is fine, turn is probably a bet, and as played you need to bet the river. But as played folding the river would be wild IMO...

Re: Awkward spot out of position, 10/25, street by street
 

Ansky,

As others have said, you need to bet that turn. On the turn the pot is around $1300 and he has 2K left. I would bet $700 and see what happened. If he raises you are probably beat, and if he calls then most likely the same as well, since he is committing his stack by such a call most likely. You shouldn't let another club fall cheap, even though you wouldn't normally want to run off a weak A if he puts you on one yourself or KK. So a bet of around 1/2 the pot puts him to the test, while allowing you to not necessarily feel committed to doubling him up when he has a Q or just made a flush.

I like the c/c on the flop to induce a bluff or worse hand to bet, but a viable alternative might have been to c/r to 1K and see if he wants to play a big pot, in which case you probably don't.

And an alternative on the turn as played on the flop would be just to push, hopefully folding out a splitting AK with no club and charging the max for something like AxJc to continue to play and draw out on the flush, and to stop any river bluffs. While I wouldn't take this line often, I might occasionally with villain's stack size both with your particular hand and with KK to try to fold out a weak A.