5-10 UB fun spot 3 way RR pot cross post from mid..
 

Hand #31222289-75494 at Sumter (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 01/Jun/06 01:23:53

B-311-B is at seat 0 with $1000 .
fatality___ is at seat 1 with $2241 .
Pigeon_John is at seat 2 with $981 .50.
Bebop86 is at seat 3 with $1496 .50.
D_GODFATHER is at seat 4 with $1097 .
KRISTEN is at seat 5 with $450 .
The button is at seat 2.

Bebop86 posts the small blind of $5.
D_GODFATHER posts the big blind of $10.

fatality___: -- --
Pigeon_John: -- --
Bebop86: 7h 9h
D_GODFATHER: -- --
KRISTEN: -- --

Pre-flop:
KRISTEN folds.
fatality___ raises to $35.
Pigeon_John folds.
Bebop86 re-raises to $115.
D_GODFATHER calls.
fatality___ calls.

Flop: (board:8s Th 3c ):

Bebop86 ??

i havent been here long, but have a pretty loose image.. the cold call form the bb scared me a bit, but fatality's range was pretty large imo. whats the best play here? holla

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basically what im wondering is if i should fire something like 225, something like pot, something like over pot, sometihng like check shove, something like check call, etc. random thoughts, fire away. holla

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Did you forget to mentioned your holding?

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Did you forget to mentioned your holding?

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Is that your way of saying you don't like reraising 79h in the SB when we know the original raiser will call leaving us out of position with a drawing hand? holla!

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Did you forget to mentioned your holding?

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Is that your way of saying you don't like reraising 79h in the SB when we know the original raiser will call leaving us out of position with a drawing hand? holla!

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lol. i love it when nits respond. keep grinding 3-6 15/11. holla

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Did you forget to mentioned your holding?

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no. holla

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I guess you should maybe fire around the pot size. Dont wanna sound nitish, but im not bigfan on this play from the SB either. I would be more confident if BB didnt stick around.

I think you will be lucky if both fold. Seems like you may need to hit your 8 outs, or maybe go for some insane check raise and hope a PP will fold, and that you didnt run into a set

...holla

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Dont wanna sound nitish, but im not bigfan on this play from the SB either.

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is anyone? i guess im not as good as yall cuz thats 100% standard. holla

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Well it really depends on what you'd do with AA/KK I think. Obviously potting and having fatality give you heat would suck, but potting and having BB give you heat is fine since you'd be priced in. I think checking is best.

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Well it really depends on what you'd do with AA/KK I think. Obviously potting and having fatality give you heat would suck, but potting and having BB give you heat is fine since you'd be priced in. I think checking is best.

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are u check calling or check shoving.. or mixing it up depending on the player? holla

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if your going to check raise godfather, it would be quicker to throw your money into a bonfire

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Did you forget to mentioned your holding?

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no. holla

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Hmm, strange... could looked thrice in the OP, for your hand [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]. Probably a sign that I should quite drinking daytime...

Anyway, i would look for the best way of getting it in on the flop, probably try to checkraise all-in on flop and if it goes check pot every turn.

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Dont wanna sound nitish, but im not bigfan on this play from the SB either.

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is anyone? i guess im not as good as yall cuz thats 100% standard. holla

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Im no fan doing this with a golden hand like 9-7s, because I always think im gonna crack AA with this hand (and it feels like i do [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]).

I like to reraise from SB pf with worse hands like 4-3o or 2-5s. if I ever get to showdown its great for image.

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Dont wanna sound nitish, but im not bigfan on this play from the SB either.

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is anyone? i guess im not as good as yall cuz thats 100% standard. holla

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Im no fan doing this with a golden hand like 9-7s, because I always think im gonna crack AA with this hand (and it feels like i do [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]).

I like to reraise from SB pf with worse hands like 4-3o or 2-5s. if I ever get to showdown its great for image.

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this pretty much makes no sense to me, unless the table is so passive they will just check it down post flop after a preflop 3 bet.

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I like to reraise from SB pf with worse hands like 4-3o or 2-5s. if I ever get to showdown its great for image.

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i fold those. lol. but just those. holla

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Dont wanna sound nitish, but im not bigfan on this play from the SB either.

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is anyone? i guess im not as good as yall cuz thats 100% standard. holla

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Im no fan doing this with a golden hand like 9-7s, because I always think im gonna crack AA with this hand (and it feels like i do [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]).

I like to reraise from SB pf with worse hands like 4-3o or 2-5s. if I ever get to showdown its great for image.

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this pretty much makes no sense to me, unless the table is so passive they will just check it down post flop after a preflop 3 bet.

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You dont understand. If i ever get to showdown its because I hit something and he calls me down with a worse hand.

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wow nit.. i love it first time i've been called that. holla!

honestly dood, you either want 2 things here. you want to bet out pot and both to fold which probably won't happen (but if you think you have enough fold equity then go for it) and will leave the BB all in against you w/88+ often which isn't great.. If you check you pretty much want either it to go check check or the bb to bet and Fatality to call and then to call. If he doesn't then you leave yourself basically getting around 4:1 against just the BB on the flop call if you always win everything on the turn which isn't enough since you hit less then that on the turn and won't see the river often. Check raising just the BB sucks since you'll basically be lighting money on fire.

so i vote for check-fold if just BB bets and fatality folds. check-call if they both call, and check-call/ check-raise if just fatality bets but that is player dependent and you still have to factor in the BB check raising if fatality bets after you check.

def an interesting spot.

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Dont wanna sound nitish, but im not bigfan on this play from the SB either.

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is anyone? i guess im not as good as yall cuz thats 100% standard. holla

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Im no fan doing this with a golden hand like 9-7s, because I always think im gonna crack AA with this hand (and it feels like i do [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]).

I like to reraise from SB pf with worse hands like 4-3o or 2-5s. if I ever get to showdown its great for image.

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this pretty much makes no sense to me, unless the table is so passive they will just check it down post flop after a preflop 3 bet.

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You dont understand. If i ever get to showdown its because I hit something and he calls me down with a worse hand.

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dont bother, lol. waste of breath on some ppl. holla

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Well it really depends on what you'd do with AA/KK I think. Obviously potting and having fatality give you heat would suck, but potting and having BB give you heat is fine since you'd be priced in. I think checking is best.

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are u check calling or check shoving.. or mixing it up depending on the player? holla

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Mixing it up depending on player and bet size, obviously some plays will be quite obvious once the action is on you. So give us the next set of actions if you bet or checked so we can continue in the hand. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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do you consider leading small making it look like you want a shove? something like 225ish? or is that completely out of the question. holla

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"If you check you pretty much want either it to go check check or the bb to bet and Fatality to call and then to call."


You truly are a passive caller PassiveCaller. Pushing is golden here.

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Nezzar, pff late..

All I can say I only wish I was as passive calling as my posting ;-)

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so I was thinking about leading small and if you haven't really done it and have been pretty aggressive and taking down pots I may like it even more since it just might strike enough fear so that they are seriously thinking you have AA but on the whole I usually don't like it... player dependent baby.

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Well it really depends on what you'd do with AA/KK I think. Obviously potting and having fatality give you heat would suck, but potting and having BB give you heat is fine since you'd be priced in. I think checking is best.

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whys it matter what you'd do w/ KK? My opponents dont know how i like my eggs either... (btw im pretty sure donky rap mixes it up pretty well w/ aa/kk ther)

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Hi raptor,

The legion of dumb LAGs on UB auto-bet pot and insta-call a shove here, so maybe you should take a different line if you are hoping somebody will fold.

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In other words, check-shove or just shove. If the flop is checked through, bet 2/3 and take it.

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In other words, check-shove or just shove. If the flop is checked through, bet 2/3 and take it.

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Hi raptor,

The legion of dumb LAGs on UB auto-bet pot and insta-call a shove here, so maybe you should take a different line if you are hoping somebody will fold.

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this makes check shoving seem kinda dumb if they autopot autocall shove.. getting it in here KNOWING you are showing down.. i duno, open shove???? this just ludicrous.. holla

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cr ai look good. you know one of these lagtards will pot it if you check.

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do you consider leading small making it look like you want a shove? something like 225ish? or is that completely out of the question. holla

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this is bad because if you're raised you have no fold equity. I like check-raise all-in

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cccccccccccchhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeecccccc cccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk, not close.

if the money goes all in anyway here, you are behind, just check hopefully it will be bet, call, and you can call and hit on the turn.

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Did you forget to mentioned your holding?

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Is that your way of saying you don't like reraising 79h in the SB when we know the original raiser will call leaving us out of position with a drawing hand? holla!

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lol. i love it when nits respond. keep grinding 3-6 15/11. holla

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if we know that is the case then your raise is no good.

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Did you forget to mentioned your holding?

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Is that your way of saying you don't like reraising 79h in the SB when we know the original raiser will call leaving us out of position with a drawing hand? holla!

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lol. i love it when nits respond. keep grinding 3-6 15/11. holla

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if we know that is the case then your raise is no good.

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i havent been here long, but have a pretty loose image.. the cold call form the bb scared me a bit, but fatality's range was pretty large imo

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good thing its not the case. holla

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do you consider leading small making it look like you want a shove? something like 225ish? or is that completely out of the question. holla

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this is bad because if you're raised you have no fold equity. I like check-raise all-in

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what hands do you fold out by check pushing? note, im mainly worried about the BB cold call, you can make a big check push with decent fold equity on fatality.. but i dont think theres any way godfather folds JJ-AA if u check push on him.. holla

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of course, if they instacall a checkraise shove then dont do it, but against good players its a great play. if BB bets and LP calls, a checkraise looks incredibly strong because youre squeezing through 2 players whove also shown alot of strength. if BB pots and LP folds then a checkraise looks alot like a bluff and has a much smaller success rate. it will be tough for BB to call a checkraise with medium overpairs with LP behind him, and LP is unlikely to have much of a strong hand since he didnt reraise through 2 players preflop. i agree, definitely check. if BB bets and LP folds then its probably either a call or fold.

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SHOVE OR POT CALL.

HOLLA

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Did you forget to mentioned your holding?

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Is that your way of saying you don't like reraising 79h in the SB when we know the original raiser will call leaving us out of position with a drawing hand? holla!

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lol. i love it when nits respond. keep grinding 3-6 15/11. holla

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this is funny because 3/6 and 5/10 are so close in $. holla.

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cccccccccccchhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeecccccc cccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk, not close.

if the money goes all in anyway here, you are behind, just check hopefully it will be bet, call, and you can call and hit on the turn.

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really? dont you fear getting blown off when you could just pot and take it down?

Like, how often do you think it goes check-pot-call, check-pot vs check-check. also what happens if it's teh second scenario and he checks behind on the turn, and the river brings some random card. 3/4 pot? 2/3 pot? 1/2 pot?

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Hi rap,

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this makes check shoving seem kinda dumb if they autopot autocall shove.. getting it in here KNOWING you are showing down.. i duno, open shove???? this just ludicrous.. holla

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You misunderstood. I mean that all the dumb LAGs in that game, who play like you did here very often, would always pot it on the flop with their 97, regardless of what cards appeared. Thus, people are used to idiotic plays like this, thus they're likely to shove over a pot bet with all sorts of hands, and you don't want them to. So, you should take a different line than all the other retarded LAGs UB offers up for evisceration at my hands on a daily basis.

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Did you forget to mentioned your holding?

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Is that your way of saying you don't like reraising 79h in the SB when we know the original raiser will call leaving us out of position with a drawing hand? holla!

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lol. i love it when nits respond. keep grinding 3-6 15/11. holla

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this is funny because 3/6 and 5/10 are so close in $. holla.

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what does that have to do with anything? holla

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what about leading like 1/4 to 1/3 pot? that might freeze him up with QQ and get you a cheap turn.