Stud\'s Gone Crazy
 

I've been playing 7-Stud lately, and can't believe how bad the players are. For example, today I had two hidden fives and three jacks showing by fifth street, and I still had callers all the way down to the river. Not only will many players call too much--regardless of what's showing on the board, but the starting hand requirements of some of these players are horrible. Well, for many, there are no requirements. They're just trying to catch something along the way. If you can handle some of the suckouts, you might want to give it a try. It's fun just trying to find out what kind of hands these people are playing with...

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Not to worry Tom. The majority of people here hate stud enough to not be very good at it. Plus it's FAR more difficult to effectively multi table stud than holdem so I doubt you'll see any stampede to the stud tables no matter how correct OP's take on the games is(and it's dead on IMO).

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I've said this before, but stud is a great game to see just how bad players are. At hold'em, no matter the action or the board, you can't be 100% certain that you're behind. In stud, when your opponent has a pair of aces showing on his board and you have nothing, it is a certainty. And yet so many players will call anyway with lower pairs, gutshots, three flushes, and all kinds of nonsense just hoping to get lucky. It's truly amazing (and profitable).

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[/ QUOTE ]well it was off the front page with zero responses untill you decided to bump it to tell him to be quite, thus getting more responces and discusion, lmao. Anyway, to what limits are the players truely terrible? Obviously what the OP said is true of any poker game at the low limits. Are the stud games at party from 3/6 to 10/20 really bad?

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I've said this before, but stud is a great game to see just how bad players are. At hold'em, no matter the action or the board, you can't be 100% certain that you're behind. In stud, when your opponent has a pair of aces showing on his board and you have nothing, it is a certainty. And yet so many players will call anyway with lower pairs, gutshots, three flushes, and all kinds of nonsense just hoping to get lucky. It's truly amazing (and profitable).

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I was at the Trop in Atlantic City and played some 5/10 stud for the first time. This nice elderly lady called me down to the river despite me showing a pair of aces, and then when I checked the river with a pair of aces unimproved, she quickly tossed out a couple of chips. I called, of course, and it was a complete bluff! I've really never felt more insulted.

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Stud online is more like real poker and much easier to beat because you generally dont' have semi-bots playing 8 tables with their pahuds and the like.

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I try to play Stud sometimes but I realllllly suck at it. I don't really understand what I should be starting with, so I'm probably way too loose there and I am undoubtedly too lose on every street after. I think it's that I can't mentally get over the one card at a time thing. I keep thinking I need to see the next two or three and I'll just have to pay the bet each round to do so.

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Can you make a $150 a hour playing stud online?

Otherwise, not worth the effort to get good at the game.

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I am sure you can. 2 tabling 30/60 should net ~$150/hr.

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i find it hard to imagine that the 30/60 stud games are the ones that the OP is talking about...

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Stud online is more like real poker and much easier to beat because you generally dont' have semi-bots playing 8 tables with their pahuds and the like.

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So you can beat stud, but not hold 'em huh?

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Stud online is more like real poker and much easier to beat because you generally dont' have semi-bots playing 8 tables with their pahuds and the like.

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So you can beat stud, but not hold 'em huh?

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I beat everything bra.

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i've played a few 22 dollar stud tourneys on pokerroom and it's easy for me to spot all the horrible play going on, but i'm almost always still lost at how to beat these guys. it seems like i just have to sit back and wait for a hand, and often times i'll be very closed to blinded off before i get something. i have the 2+2 stud book and while i think it's a good read and it helped me learn how to play, it doesn't do much to help me do better in tournaments.

what percentage of your hands do good stud players play pre-flop?

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i've played a few 22 dollar stud tourneys on pokerroom and it's easy for me to spot all the horrible play going on, but i'm almost always still lost at how to beat these guys. it seems like i just have to sit back and wait for a hand, and often times i'll be very closed to blinded off before i get something. i have the 2+2 stud book and while i think it's a good read and it helped me learn how to play, it doesn't do much to help me do better in tournaments.

what percentage of your hands do good stud players play pre-flop?

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I think you need to read your stud book a little closer next time.

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i've played a few 22 dollar stud tourneys on pokerroom and it's easy for me to spot all the horrible play going on, but i'm almost always still lost at how to beat these guys. it seems like i just have to sit back and wait for a hand, and often times i'll be very closed to blinded off before i get something. i have the 2+2 stud book and while i think it's a good read and it helped me learn how to play, it doesn't do much to help me do better in tournaments.

what percentage of your hands do good stud players play pre-flop?

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I think you need to read your stud book a little closer next time.

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I guarantee you - they are not.

Jeff

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I try to play Stud sometimes but I realllllly suck at it. I don't really understand what I should be starting with, so I'm probably way too loose there and I am undoubtedly too lose on every street after. I think it's that I can't mentally get over the one card at a time thing. I keep thinking I need to see the next two or three and I'll just have to pay the bet each round to do so.

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You should spend some time in the stud forum. The feedback from Jeffage, Andy and the other regulars is pretty solid there.

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i've played a few 22 dollar stud tourneys on pokerroom and it's easy for me to spot all the horrible play going on, but i'm almost always still lost at how to beat these guys. it seems like i just have to sit back and wait for a hand, and often times i'll be very closed to blinded off before i get something. i have the 2+2 stud book and while i think it's a good read and it helped me learn how to play, it doesn't do much to help me do better in tournaments.

what percentage of your hands do good stud players play pre-flop?

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I think you need to read your stud book a little closer next time.

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this might be unreasonable but i'd rather you actually tell me what you think, not some gay sarcasm.

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Actually as Party has gone bunghole tight. The low limit stud games are still very fishy. Stud isn't in vogue and harder to learn to play well. So the games at the lower levels are still soft........ [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Can you tell me what you consider to be lower levels please.
Thx.

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i've played a few 22 dollar stud tourneys on pokerroom and it's easy for me to spot all the horrible play going on, but i'm almost always still lost at how to beat these guys. it seems like i just have to sit back and wait for a hand, and often times i'll be very closed to blinded off before i get something. i have the 2+2 stud book and while i think it's a good read and it helped me learn how to play, it doesn't do much to help me do better in tournaments.

what percentage of your hands do good stud players play pre-flop?

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I think you need to read your stud book a little closer next time.

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this might be unreasonable but i'd rather you actually tell me what you think, not some gay sarcasm.

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Post some hands in the stud forum or ask questions there. You are not going to get any good responses from these monkeys. We are usually at least somewhat helpful.

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Can you tell me what you consider to be lower levels please.
Thx.

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From reading Lefty's posts over the years I'd say he's talking about 3-6 and down.

From what I've seen around the net the 1-2's are a total fish tank. You can pretty much beat them with nothing more than good starting hand selection and no chasing. Do not waste your time bluffing in these games, someone is going to call you.

At 2-4 the majority of the players at least have a clue although many of them still play too loosely, especially against 3rd street raises from big door cards. Low limit is pretty straight forward. If somebody raises a king, most of the time they really do have kings. These games are still very beatable as long as you have alittle knowledge of the game and don't chase.

At 3-6 the majority of players could at least play break even in B&M 5-10 or 10-20 games. There are still fish but rarely more than 2 or 3 at a table. The aggression level on 3rd street goes up considerably too. Still beatable for an experienced player but newbies will struggle. Hand & player reading skills start to be a factor at this level.

As I said before, if you are interested in the game check out the stud forum. I don't post there but I do read it at least a couple of times a week and I think the advice is top notch.

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I have watched the 1/2 and 2/4 tables in the evenings and they seem the same as 3 years ago(beatable if you can play stud well). If those games are basically the same the .5/1 must still be roulette with weighted hands........

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Yeah well i consider myself a very good stud player.
Started playing stud in B&M 10 years ago. Know all the hand matchup probabilities. Calculated alot more scenarios than
appear in 7csfap.

Having said that. It is more profitable for me to play NL HE at the lower limits than 7cs at lower limits. I have had WAY too many bad beats in 7cs. I know we are supposed to prefer bad play. Having players continually chase your pocket aces with starting hands like 559 rainbow and river 2 pr to outdraw you doesn't make this too fun. Or, starting wih AAx and having player chase with AKJ rainbow and river a higher aces up to beat your aces up is brilliant.
I have had alot of variance with stud and in spite of loose players i have encountered at stud , NL HE is way more profitable for me.

Have had experience twice though with some idiots calling my stud river bet when I had jacks up showing. They had 1 pair. Maybe they hit wrong button or maybe their head was spinning and the were just clicking call.

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shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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[/ QUOTE ]well it was off the front page with zero responses untill you decided to bump it to tell him to be quite, thus getting more responces and discusion, lmao. Anyway, to what limits are the players truely terrible? Obviously what the OP said is true of any poker game at the low limits. Are the stud games at party from 3/6 to 10/20 really bad?

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Yes "truely", be "quite"; no more "responces" "untill" somebody bumps it again.

My god, our public schools do suck.

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Can you make a $150 a hour playing stud online?

Otherwise, not worth the effort to get good at the game.

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Is it lonely on your pedestal? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] jk.

Good point but I think the OP is referring to playing stud to switch it up. Anything close to your hourly rate at your regular game would be great if it decreases chances of burnout, plus theres a good benifit to learning a concept seldom seen in hold em. CLICHE ALERT:minute to learn, lifetime to master.CLICHE FINISHED.

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shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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[/ QUOTE ]well it was off the front page with zero responses untill you decided to bump it to tell him to be quite, thus getting more responces and discusion, lmao. Anyway, to what limits are the players truely terrible? Obviously what the OP said is true of any poker game at the low limits. Are the stud games at party from 3/6 to 10/20 really bad?

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Yes "truely", be "quite"; no more "responces" "untill" somebody bumps it again.

My god, our public schools do suck.


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NIT

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i've played a few 22 dollar stud tourneys on pokerroom and it's easy for me to spot all the horrible play going on, but i'm almost always still lost at how to beat these guys. it seems like i just have to sit back and wait for a hand, and often times i'll be very closed to blinded off before i get something. i have the 2+2 stud book and while i think it's a good read and it helped me learn how to play, it doesn't do much to help me do better in tournaments.

what percentage of your hands do good stud players play pre-flop?

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I think you need to read your stud book a little closer next time.

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this might be unreasonable but i'd rather you actually tell me what you think, not some gay sarcasm.

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nice comeback !

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ive been playing a bit of stud8 lately and i think its an awesome game. i would love to talk about it to ppl.

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shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

seriously

[/ QUOTE ]well it was off the front page with zero responses untill you decided to bump it to tell him to be quite, thus getting more responces and discusion, lmao. Anyway, to what limits are the players truely terrible? Obviously what the OP said is true of any poker game at the low limits. Are the stud games at party from 3/6 to 10/20 really bad?

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Yes "truely", be "quite"; no more "responces" "untill" somebody bumps it again.

My god, our public schools do suck.


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NIT

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Is it really a NIT? Some of us really do cringe when we see this kind of grammar and spelling. Once upon a time, the writer would have been embarrassed .... no longer, and that's kind of sad.

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ive been playing a bit of stud8 lately and i think its an awesome game. i would love to talk about it to ppl.

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I'll tell you all my bad beats.