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I've been thinking about this for a little while so just decided to post it.

1. What really sets out a player, well enough to play 5/10 or 10/20? What addional sttributes are needed at this level? I haven't yet had a chance to go that close yet due to BR.

2. Obviously a lot of people make money on these tables, but surely a mass are losing. Are these just people going to the top as a bit of a gamble, rich men losing permanently, etc? I just dont understand how people could sustain those sort of losses. Surely sensible good players would stick to a level they win at.

3. Thirdly, I have seen people 10 tabling 6max high limits. Surely any reads or other attributes that give people the edge, are lost when playing so many tables? Surely it isnt ABC poker at this level? It cant be super human thats for sure.

Sorry for what will have seemed a very basic post to a lot of you, its just questions that I haven't worked out answers to, and am quite intrigued.

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bankroll

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All the top multitabling pro's are really top computer programmers, and have written a successful program to beat the game. Not really that farfetched if you think about it.

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Ability to multitask goes a long way too. Able to process different information at once.

You know you're getting better when you are able to identify fishes, not from just 1 table, but multiple tables, after a few orbits.

And BR too.

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they recognize the regulars and just assume everyone else is a fish

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they recognize the regulars and just assume everyone else is a fish

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lol, yes

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and dont you ever forget it

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If you knew how to play nl holdem you'd realize how impossible it'd be for a bot to be good @ it (vs competentish opponents).

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This amazes me every day

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its really not hard to multitable. i really dont understand if you guys think 10 tables is harder than 6 tables. maybe i just played to many video games as a child.

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If were playing 50-100 nl I might agree. However, given the fact that 8 tabling you do not have great reads, the play is fairly mechanical. With some work a program could be written to beat the 5-10 10-20 nl game.

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Idiot.

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10 tabling is for wusses, use Empire to 12 table. ;)

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Your ignorance on this subject is pretty profound.

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I never knew you could open 12 tables with empire. Thanks :)

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10 tabling is for wusses, use Empire to 12 table. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I never knew you could open 12 tables with empire. Thanks [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I lol'd when eHustler quoted that. Simply awesome.

mj

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If were playing 50-100 nl I might agree. However, given the fact that 8 tabling you do not have great reads, the play is fairly mechanical. With some work a program could be written to beat the 5-10 10-20 nl game.

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Retart

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10 tabling is for wusses, use Empire to 12 table. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Party had an update a day or so ago....now you can 12 table on Party.

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If were playing 50-100 nl I might agree. However, given the fact that 8 tabling you do not have great reads, the play is fairly mechanical. With some work a program could be written to beat the 5-10 10-20 nl game.

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Idiot.

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If were playing 50-100 nl I might agree. However, given the fact that 8 tabling you do not have great reads, the play is fairly mechanical. With some work a program could be written to beat the 5-10 10-20 nl game.

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Idiot.

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I don't get it ... why is this stupid? I don't think it would be hard to play the 10/20 without reads or statistics and beat the game. Now I'm not that smart and I don't know dick about computers but I imagine that someone who did could easily write a program to play without reads and beat the game ... in fact it would probably do better than 90% of people due to the fact that it would never tilt.

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I really dont think a machine/bot could be made to effectively beat those games. They arent creative and adaptive enough. Clones on the other hand..... hmmm seems like a very profitable possibility

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If were playing 50-100 nl I might agree. However, given the fact that 8 tabling you do not have great reads, the play is fairly mechanical. With some work a program could be written to beat the 5-10 10-20 nl game.

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Idiot.

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I don't get it ... why is this stupid? I don't think it would be hard to play the 10/20 without reads or statistics and beat the game. Now I'm not that smart and I don't know dick about computers but I imagine that someone who did could easily write a program to play without reads and beat the game ... in fact it would probably do better than 90% of people due to the fact that it would never tilt.

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depends on the players in the 10/20 game. a bot could consistently beat fish but not good players that could adjust. a bot could probably beat 50/100 if the players in the game were bad.

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no definitly not it

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I 12 table and its mainly the same players, that you have played 1000's of hands with at all my tables. In many ways it is easier to get reads because you are playing a tonne of hands with people and i can quickly tell how they are playing right at the moment. Then if some donkey comes along, its easy to separate them from their money for a very simple reason: they suck.

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If were playing 50-100 nl I might agree. However, given the fact that 8 tabling you do not have great reads, the play is fairly mechanical. With some work a program could be written to beat the 5-10 10-20 nl game.

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I once thought as you do ... and maybe still do.

Some friends and I at work decided we'd write our own poker bots and then hold tournaments between them. I started thinking about the number of situations that the bot would need to deal with. It turns out that a good rule-based bot would require a lot of coding. A lot.

A bot based on a genetic algorithm where the parameters (aggression, hand strength evaluation, hand reading, etc.) can evolve over generations of the bot as it plays could probably start in the lower stakes and move up. Additionally, if you give it access to large opponent profiling databases I think that bot would own.

mj

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Of course a bot *COULD* be programmed to beat the 5/10 - 10/20 games, but it wouldnt easy and probably couldnt be done by an 'average joe' bedroom coder. I think that someone killing higher stakes games with a degree in something like computational neuroscience could pull it off without much difficulty, using reinforcement learning algorithms etc.