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Dan BRIGHT 05-26-2006 05:25 AM

10-20nl 67s
 
Villain in this hand is gamble4you. He isnt tilting. My image is 20/15ish or so to him and the rest of the table. In the past vs him and his in position calls I have bet the drawy flop, checked the turn (he checked behid), and check folded the river (to his psb) when all draws hit.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

CO ($1304.22)
Button ($1716)
SB ($363.24)
BB ($3822.47)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($2148)</font>
<font color="#C00000">MP ($2070)</font>

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $20. SB posts a blind of $10.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $90</font>, MP calls $90, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: ($230) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $200</font>, MP calls $200.

Turn: ($630) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks.

River: ($630) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks...

AbelM 05-26-2006 05:52 AM

Re: 10-20nl 67s
 
River you can just valuebet (which probably won't get called).

I think you really have to bet that turn.

Dan BRIGHT 05-26-2006 06:06 AM

Re: 10-20nl 67s
 
Normally, yes of course. Betting the turn is good. But I think you missed why exactly I checked the turn. And, with the history, because of my turn play, why I checked the river.

Jeff W 05-26-2006 06:24 AM

Re: 10-20nl 67s
 
I'd check-call. I think he's bluffing you more often than he pays off a worse hand.

What was your turn plan? C/R all in?

AbelM 05-26-2006 08:53 AM

Re: 10-20nl 67s
 
whoops i read too fast, thought you were in position.

Prevaricator 05-26-2006 08:54 AM

Re: 10-20nl 67s
 
i like the riv check here.

Almtom 05-26-2006 08:50 PM

Re: 10-20nl 67s
 
I like checkcall the river.

Andrew Karpinski 05-26-2006 09:45 PM

Re: 10-20nl 67s
 
Are you check raising or check calling?

Almtom 05-26-2006 10:32 PM

Re: 10-20nl 67s
 
I would checkcall like i wrote

kagame 05-27-2006 02:15 AM

Re: 10-20nl 67s
 
are you trying to check raise the turn?

Kirkrrr 05-27-2006 07:49 AM

Re: 10-20nl 67s
 
[ QUOTE ]
are you trying to check raise the turn?

[/ QUOTE ]

Dan BRIGHT 05-27-2006 09:02 AM

Re: 10-20nl 67s
 
On the turn-

Suppose I bet the turn, and he is on a draw and decides to use the ace to push me off a pocketpair. I am forced to call, and I would not be surprised if his UI draw would beat my UI draw on the river. If he has a flushdraw, it also likely is better than mine.

Given that villain called my raise preflop, I would expect his hand to be either some sort of suited connector or one gapper type hand or a pocket pair of varying strength (ie 22 to 66 to kk, etc). Should I just bet the turn I would expect to fold out some pocket pairs some of the time. However, should I check the turn, I would expect that the weaker my opponent's pocket pair is, the more he would be inclined to bet the turn. (Furthermore, with my tight image, my handrange will be weighted towards better pocket pairs as opposed to worse ones.... so villains pps will look that much weaker in comparison.) And once, I c/r 3x the raise (which would actually be AI in this case), I would fold out a large portion of his range. As mentinoed, its also possible that I would fold out stronger flush draws or stronger straight draws (which would be getting insufficient odds to hit... about 3:1 with some partial outs and paired board).

As an added bonus I also pick up 600 extra dollars or soo. Yay for a months rent.


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