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Or am I just bat [censored] crazy like Goehring?

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WPT sucks.

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1 outers on the river are sick. 2nd one at a WPT final table. Rigged.

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i've go full respect for alan but wtf was up with that call with k8?

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Or his constant floating with unimproved overs?

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at least once it looked like the dude might have priced him in, the last time i think it was.

people say the wpt sucks, i think it was pretty damn good the last few weeks.

i really felt tran's pain that one hand.

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Yeah, and referring to Tran. . .was I the only one disgusted with how cheerful Courtney seemed while interviewing JC? It seemed like she was trying to be serious, but having a hard time holding back a case of the giggles or something.

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1 outers on the river are sick. 2nd one at a WPT final table. Rigged.

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it was a 2 outer.

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it was a 2 outer.

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After I saw the river card, I was sick that the 2 on the turn paird the board. One-outers are awesome to witness.

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Or his constant floating with unimproved overs OOP ?

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Yeah, and referring to Tran. . .was I the only one disgusted with how cheerful Courtney seemed while interviewing JC? It seemed like she was trying to be serious, but having a hard time holding back a case of the giggles or something.

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I wanted to shoot her in the face when she asked him if he thought aces were more unlucky then lucky.

W T F?

Edit : 2 outers on the river are > all. Especially when you hit what would have been your 1 outer had the board not paired.

Edit Edit : If I hear VVP refer to aces as weapons of mass destruction one more [censored] time, I'm flying to the next WPT event to stuff a WMD up his ass.

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Just to be clear, he would have won even if the board hadn't paired, right? He did in fact catch the 5d...

The k8 really boggled my mind...Did he think he had a coinflip? Was there actually like a 40 hand gap and the blinds had shot up? Bizarre. He's got a great TV presence tho, very dry wit. Unless he's Canadian, in which case, fuggetabuddit.

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If he had caught the 5s on the turn, then JC would have made the nut flush. Once the board paired the turn, he picked back up the 5s as an out since it would make him 5's full to JC's flush.

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Mike and VVP need to work up some new lines! I enjoy watching the play but many time are you going to say the same thing every week.

I think it would be cool if they showed some hands that got each player to the finial table. Each player had to have given a bad beat for sucked out on the river at least once! Let's see it!

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I spit my drink all over my coffee table when that 5 hit.
I think that was worse then Dan N's one outter on the Grinder.

Sick,sick,sick....

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"...chipped away at more than Michael Jackson's nose."
C'mon, Vince is priceless! :-)

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"Do you feel like aces sometimes are more bad luck?"
"No, not really, I've done well with aces."

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I think Alan plays awesome with deep stacks, but he does some -EV [censored] with short stacks. Maybe it works for metagame reasons, setting up image or whatever. That K8 call was donk-tacular.

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Am I missing something? What was so horrible about that beat on JC last night? They were all-in pre-flop, pair vs pair. The smaller pair sucked out, as will happen 20% of the time. That kind of stuff happens every day to anyone who plays poker regularly. Sucks for him that it happened at a WPT final table, but I didn't think it was anything spectacular. Based on his reaction and the hysteria of Sexton and VVP, you'd think he just suffered the worst beat in the history of poker. It's not like someone got quads cracked by a straight flush or something.

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are you serious? beats have to be taken in context. losing 900k or whatever of ev doesn't happen every day.

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Ungoliant,

I think your missing the fact that he was an 80% fav. with 2.3 mil on the line.

Yes, its poker and things like that have happened to all of us from time to time. The sick part was not that the card hit, the sick part was it happened at a WPT final table with major cash and prestige on the line.

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Alan should be an inspiration to most of us on this forum. If he can win, the way he played, than ANYONE of us can. He demonstrated some of the most dontakular play I've seen in quite somtime. The last hand had to be one of the worst calls I have ever seen. I wouldn't expect to see a call like that in a nickel dime game.

Bruce

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The WPT final table structure turned 4-handed play into a crapshoot.

The blinds were up to a ridiculous 150K-300K with no player having 5 million or more chips when the 150K-300K level started.

Because there were slightly more than 14 million chips in play, the entire table had less than 50 big blinds total.

When you combine the fast WPT final structure (designed to keep TV production cost low), the continuing decline of WPT viewership in the US, the image rights release issue, and declining sponsorship opportunities for WPT event winners (Playboy covergirl Joanna Krupa will make more money on poker endorsements in 2006 than Michael Gracz, The Grinder, John Phan, and Tuan Le combined), you have to wonder why so many of the newer players are still acting like lemmings and are choosing to play WPT events instead of the televised WSOP Circuit events or the Trump Taj Mahal US Poker Championship on ESPN.

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I don't know who Joanna Krupa is, or what she has to do with poker, but Grinder recently signed a totally sick longterm endorsement deal with Absolute Poker. You keep talking about the lack of ancillary potential that poker players get to enjoy now, so you must not be aware that people like the Grinder and Takeoever still have a lot of marketablility.

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olivert,

do you have another trick or is this it?


all,

Goehring does this weird floaty [censored] with air because he does the weird floaty [censored] with hands, too, and then people push hard at him trying to get him to fold his air and whoops.

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I don't know who Joanna Krupa is, or what she has to do with poker,

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http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_news...l.php?p_id=998

She signed some sort of deal with Titan Poker.

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olivert,

do you have another trick or is this it?


all,

Goehring does this weird floaty [censored] with air because he does the weird floaty [censored] with hands, too, and then people push hard at him trying to get him to fold his air and whoops.

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That floaty crap is fine early, but committing 1/4 of your chips doing it oop is icky.

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I don't know who Joanna Krupa is, or what she has to do with poker, but Grinder recently signed a totally sick longterm endorsement deal with Absolute Poker. You keep talking about the lack of ancillary potential that poker players get to enjoy now, so you must not be aware that people like the Grinder and Takeoever still have a lot of marketablility.

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Shane:

I stand corrected with respect to "The Grinder", whose
deal with AbsolutePoker has NOT been officially announced or implemented given that "The Grinder" hasn't appeared on any of AbsolutePoker's marketing material, not even in the weekly emails to the VIPs or on AbsolutePoker's websites as of May 25.

"The Grinder" should have gotten an online poker endorsement deal A LONG TIME AGO, long before the likes of "Blackjack Babe" Erica Schoenberg and Playboy cover girl Joanna Krupa have gotten their online poker endorsement deals.

I do know that Kenna James recently signed with SunPoker.com.

As for Nick "The Takeover" Schulman, I don't believe he has a longer-term deal yet even though he wore a "Full Tilt Poker" logo at the WPT Battle of Champions IV.

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"...chipped away at more than Michael Jackson's nose."

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Paled in comparison to the "Sets-Quatch" comment.

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Oliver:

My point was that marketting opportunities are available for SOME players, i.e. the markettable ones. Problems with marketting asian males aside, I've heard Tuan Le doesn't want the responsibility of an endorsement deal.

As for Grinder waiting this long to ink a deal, I don't think it was such a bad move considering the size of the deal he eventually secured, which is significant by real-life standards, not just "Hot-girl-signing-on-to-represent-some-unheard-of-online-pokersite" standards.

And while The Takeover hasn't signed onto anything longterm afaik, I'm pretty sure the opportunity is or will be there for him.

I'm just trying to contradict your doom-and-gloom attitude. Of course, there ought to be a natural thinning-out of the ancillary opportunities you love talking about, but it's not like they are dissapearing entirely.

Also, any word on ESPN's schedule for WSOP prelims?

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That K8 call was donk-tacular.

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If by donk-tacular you mean +EV, I agree.

Two key points:
1. The binds were 250k/500k/50k ante, so we were playing at about 10-12x BB. At 10x BB, if you play optimally against someone who moves all-in every hand (without looking at their cards), you will win 51% or 52% of the time, depending on who started with the big blind. So, gaining a significant edge by "outplaying" an experienced opponent is simply not a viable option with such large blinds (i.e. in "crapshoot" territory).

2. After the blinds increased, Daniel Quach moved all-in 5 of the 10 times he had the button, or one-half the time. He was in "all-in" mode, as a good player should be with the large blinds.

My thinking was that if he is moving all-in half the time, I should call with any hand in the top quartile of all hands, of which K8o is right on the border. With $1.1mm of dead money, I was getting slightly better than 6:5 odds, meaning I needed to be 45.45%+ to win.

Furthermore, we had almost the exact situation on the last hand of the most recent WPT event (Mirage May 2006). Stan raised to $1mm (pot committing himself), and Harry moved all-in (about $1.2-1.3mm more, which was 11-12BB's total) with K6o. Harry risked all his chips (more than 10bb's) with a lowly K6o, knowing he would get called, and I see nothing wrong with his play.

For those who think it was a bad call, I would like to know what your standards (i.e. threshold hands)would have been in my situation? (not that I would ever change my opinion)

Don't feel bad, Mike Sexton, Mike Matusow, and others also thought it was an awful play. I do like the word "Donk-tacular". Although it looked like I played terrible, every play I made at the FT was the correct play for me based on my "overall integrated strategy", which I am not going to expalin.

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And of your two televised floats out of position with only overs?

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Get the hell out of here. Alan G my ass... very nice explaination of the situation and the call though!

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Yeah, it is completely unreasonable that a poker pro would ever post on these boards...

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And of your two televised floats out of position with only overs?

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As I said, I am not going to explain. I don't see any upside to revealing my stratigies, unless they are of a simple and/or obvious nature. (I don't even discuss strategy with any other player(s)). I do think people need to stop looking at (single) hands in a vacuum.

We live in a free world and it common (and perfectly OK) for people to mock what they don't understand---you can join Phil Hellmuth and many others---the proof, ultimately, will be in results. If you believe these were terrible plays, that is fine with me.

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heh I thought the idea around here was not to be results oriented

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Get the hell out of here. Alan G my ass...

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If I posted my theories under an alias, people would tell me I am a crazy madman that has no idea what he is doing. Wait, they do that anyway.

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And of your two televised floats out of position with only overs?

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As I said, I am not going to explain. I don't see any upside to revealing my stratigies, unless they are of a simple and/or obvious nature. (I don't even discuss strategy with any other player(s)). I do think people need to stop looking at (single) hands in a vacuum.

We live in a free world and it common (and perfectly OK) for people to mock what they don't understand---you can join Phil Hellmuth and many others---the proof, ultimately, will be in results. If you believe these were terrible plays, that is fine with me.

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Alan,

It's obvious that you've put a lot of thought, or energy or whatever, into your style and come up with something original that seems to perplex/amaze pros and amateurs alike and seems to work; those who criticize your plays here are probably more comfortable thinking your unconventional techniques have no merit than to have to wrap their minds around a new concept.

I'm curious, more generally, about what it is about your style that makes it succesful: Have you unearthed better math than the rest of us, or do you credit your game's efficacy to its ability to confuse opponents into making mistakes?

I know you aren't trying to needlessly hand out strategic gems, but I was hoping you'd be willing to discuss how ingenuity and creativity factor into your game relative to the math.

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I didn't realize he had been moving in alot. For some reason I thought it was the first time he moved in. Also didn't realize the blinds were quite that big. Now the call makes much more sense.

More importantly, Alan how much are you willing to pay for pictures of an semiattractive man multitabling 30-60? Are we talking hundreds? Thousands? Tens of Thousands?

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Sorry, you are right. My old habit of playing bad and winning money is nothing more than a vicious addiction that feeds on itself and can not be easily broken. Note to self-----seek help immediatley.