Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

Late in a $33 multi tourney, yesterday, I made a big raise
with TT and the button went into the tank, deciding
whether to call. I Type: "I have black tens". I wanted
a fold... I think. I'm not really sure why I did it,
actually. Maybe it's part of my being on life-tilt
right now. It was dumb, but that's not really the point.

He folded.

I showed my black tens. He thanked me.

One of the players ( the SB ) said he was going to report me.
He did, I guess.

Below is PP's response.

I don't see the problem with this - players constantly
lie about what they have during the hand. I happened
to tell the truth!

I sent a reply to PP asking if I would still be in trouble if I turned over 7-2 after the hand.

And yes, I remember who the player is who reported me......

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Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

SB and BB were still to act, so it's a punishable offense under most tournament rules.

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

Can't do this live so don't see why you should be able to do it at once. The most common ruling is you can talk about anything you like except your own hand.

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

"I don't see the problem with this "

Since the Button was your buddy, of course not.

...see the problem now?

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

you should never be talking about the strength of your hand during play, whether you are lying or not.

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

yeah, if he were the last one to act i don't think it would have been a problem. But even then, I just don't think it's a good idea...

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

Let’s forget that there were still two people left to act for a second. Let’s say it was just the big blind contemplating a call. Headsup in a cash game, no big deal, it’s fine to discuss your hand. In a tournament, however, you are affecting everyone’s equity by altering the chip sizes.

Think of it like 20 places pay and 21 people are left. You have the opportunity to bust another player, but alter his stack by getting him to fold. You most likely just cost player 21 from cashing. It doesn’t matter how close the tournament is to cashing, at any time in a tournament; everyone is affected by altering chip stacks.

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

You were wrong to discuss your cards. Whoever reported you had every right to do so. And Party was right to warn you not to do so in the future.

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

As TJ Cloutier said in the WSOP "You better be lieing when you talk about your hand or they'll slap a penality on you so quick it will make your head spin..Tell him Phil..." You should be happy with only getting a warning

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

lucky that party only gave you a slap on the wrist.

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

I love how no one has asked this question yet..

why would you tell him your hand....I can't imagine this would be a good "play" here

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

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why would you tell him your hand....I can't imagine this would be a good "play" here

I love how no one has asked this question yet..


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Probably because it's irrelevant to the subject of the post

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

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Headsup in a cash game, no big deal, it’s fine to discuss your hand.

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Actually coffeehousing violates the rules of most sites. You cannot discuss the current hand for any reason. Online poker is different from B&M in this respect.

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

What you did was wrong.

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

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why would you tell him your hand....I can't imagine this would be a good "play" here

I love how no one has asked this question yet..


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Probably because it's irrelevant to the subject of the post

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I'd be more worried about OP doing this frequently than getting scolded by partypoker

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

So you got scolded, BFD. As a curtesy to all players, you should not be discussing ANY cards while ANY hand is still in play. Pretty simple. Move on with your life.

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Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

The only reason this is wrong is because there were still other players involved. If it's heads up anything should go (the site's T&C probably differ, but that doesn't make them any more correct than the ones that say they can confiscate all funds in your account if you ask a friend to play for you whilst you go take a piss).

Mitch Evans' argument about it affecting other players' chances is one of the worst thought out stupidest arguments I've seen put forward on 2+2, and that's saying something. If you believe you are acting in your own best interests in a heads up situation there is nothing wrong. This wasn't heads up however and Party were right to warn you. Ironically if you were lying about your hand there wouldn't have been a rule violation by standard poker rules. I don't know about Party's T&Cs.

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Mitch Evans' argument about it affecting other players' chances is one of the worst thought out stupidest arguments I've seen put forward on 2+2, and that's saying something.

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Says you. You have any reasons for this or should we just trust your wisdom?

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

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Mitch Evans' argument about it affecting other players' chances is one of the worst thought out stupidest arguments I've seen put forward on 2+2, and that's saying something. If you believe you are acting in your own best interests in a heads up situation there is nothing wrong.


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And exactly how are Party or the others at the table supposed to know you are acting in you own best interest?

What if you know the other player is a 2+2er and you are softplaying him, helping him survive the Bubble?

Talk about an unthought out stupid argument.

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

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Mitch Evans' argument about it affecting other players' chances is one of the worst thought out stupidest arguments I've seen put forward on 2+2,

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excellent point...except that he's correct. in a tournament every player's success is related to how well/poorly everyone else performs. if there was some particular interest in keeping the BB alive in the tourney and keep him from calling in a -ev situation, then everyone else in the tourney suffers.

revagain, youre funny.

bwana

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

Just a slight hijack...

You want a call when you hold pocket tens.

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

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excellent point...except that he's correct. in a tournament every player's success is related to how well/poorly everyone else performs. if there was some particular interest in keeping the BB alive in the tourney and keep him from calling in a -ev situation, then everyone else in the tourney suffers.

revagain, youre funny.

bwana

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None of this matters, I will effectively dump chips to the short stack when I have a big lead in a SnG with 4 players remaining if I can. I am doing my utmost to keep one player alive and hurt the other's chances. Perfectly reasonable play because I am doing so in my own best interests hoovering up the larger stacks chips to maximize my chances of first place.

As to the other moron who claims that it has to be wrong because Party can't tell if you're softplaying, I presume then he is regularly emailing them requesting they ban people from checking the nuts in case they are softplaying and not trying to checkraise, because Party couldn't tell which it was unless the guy checked to bets.

Jesus Christ.......

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

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None of this matters, I will effectively dump chips to the short stack

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yes, this matters a great deal. this is exactly what you called him out on being wrong about.

then you go on about moving chips to the short stack which a strategy. the strategy you mention actually relates to what you initially discounted in the first place.

i usually dont mind the assinine comments on here but if youre going to make a fool of yourself and insult someone, at least be correct.

bwana

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I Type: "I have black tens".

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Why they gotta be black?

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

I suspect racism... Hate Crime, Hate Crime!!!

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

I honestly don't have a clue what you're talking about or what you are even attempting to say. [edit - I just thought about it for a minute or so and I think I do get it, but you're just repeating the same idiotic and incorrect argument that's already been mooted - that you can't play a certain way because it puts other players at a disadvantage. Please do clarify though, so I can be sure].

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None of this matters, I will effectively dump chips to the short stack

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yes, this matters a great deal. this is exactly what you called him out on being wrong about.

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Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

Rev,

You really don't know [censored] about tournament poker do you? Your paragraph about how my argument is the most idiotic thing you have ever read here was about the only post on 2+2 that literally almost put me on the floor laughing. Thanks for that. I really didn't even know if you were being serious or sarcastic, but now it's clear.

I will try one more time. If you want to dump chips to an opponent (your example) through fair use (i.e., you don't know each other and are not colluding) because you think it will help your position to cash, that's fine. But once you TALK to another player to influence that dump, you are putting the other players at a disadvantage. Can you understand this? You just said giving the small stack your chips would help you. Well, if it helps you, it certainly can't help your opponents.

Okay, since that doesn’t make sense to you, let’s look at it this way:

In a tournament, headsup or not, you are not allowed to talk about the hand in play.

That is the rule for tournament poker online and B&M; you don’t have to agree with it, but you must abide by it.

Re: Scolded by Party for revealing my hand
 

I was watching WPT last night and the commentators mentioned that it is against the rules to disclose your hole cards, but..... it is not against the rules to lie about them. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

I'm pretty sure that is the standard B&M rules also.

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