A5s did I play this right?
 

No reads, what do I do when I have top pair wk against a pfr? Calling down from the beginning felt weak. I shouldn't donk into him on the flop should I? Did I screw up pre-flop? Any other errors? Thanks.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (5.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 5.75 BB

Re: A5s did I play this right?
 

brntlip you can also bet/fold the river. Post flop is good this is a pretty standard spot for a way ahead/way behind. If WA/WB is something you haven't seen before do a search for it. Pre flop i raise or fold this. The table would have to be uber loose behind me to ever consider limping here.

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brntlip you can also bet/fold the river. Post flop is good this is a pretty standard spot for a way ahead/way behind. If WA/WB is something you haven't seen before do a search for it. Pre flop i raise or fold this. The table would have to be uber loose behind me to ever consider limping here.

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Well said.

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Thanks, in a later position I normally would've raised but I don't see why we are raising from MP2. I thought I would want to encouage more limpers as the flush plays well with many callers. I thought there was too big of a chance of being dominated if someone cold calls or 3 bets.

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The odds of getting your flush by the river are pretty bad so open limping this in middle position is pretty bad. You open raise with this hand because of the top pair power of the ace and the fervent hope no one behind you has an ace they want to call a raise with too.

On the turn you pick up an extra couple of outs so I c/r him here and see if he was iso raising you or has a hand.

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im donking the flop here if raised im slowing down else betting every street

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The odds of getting your flush by the river are pretty bad so open limping this in middle position is pretty bad. You open raise with this hand because of the top pair power of the ace and the fervent hope no one behind you has an ace they want to call a raise with too.

On the turn you pick up an extra couple of outs so I c/r him here and see if he was iso raising you or has a hand.

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and doing what on the river if called or 3-bet after your check/raised? Do you think a position aware iso raiser is calling a turn check/raise with a hand you beat very often?

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im donking the flop here if raised im slowing down else betting every street

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So he can fold a worse hand or raise you with a better one?

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can anyone point my to WA/WB threads. i searched and none came up that explained the topic very well.

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can anyone point my to WA/WB threads. i searched and none came up that explained the topic very well.

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Go to the digest and look at the AJs thread by Didelo. JaxUp posted a good link there.

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The odds of getting your flush by the river are pretty bad so open limping this in middle position is pretty bad. You open raise with this hand because of the top pair power of the ace and the fervent hope no one behind you has an ace they want to call a raise with too.

On the turn you pick up an extra couple of outs so I c/r him here and see if he was iso raising you or has a hand.

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and doing what on the river if called or 3-bet after your check/raised? Do you think a position aware iso raiser is calling a turn check/raise with a hand you beat very often?

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A lot of this is read dependent. I wouldn't like getting 3-bet on the turn but without a read how do you let this go? And if you have the read why do you make it past the flop? Again, these are the crappy decisions you have to make because of poor pre-flop decisions.

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*grunch*
I think you are reading too much into the preflop raise. Lots of things warrant a pfr that don't beat your AA. I would have b/c the flop. On the turn, you now have an additional four outs to the straight. I probably would have b/c or c/r'd the river (depending on if I was raised on the flop or not).

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The odds of getting your flush by the river are pretty bad so open limping this in middle position is pretty bad. You open raise with this hand because of the top pair power of the ace and the fervent hope no one behind you has an ace they want to call a raise with too.

On the turn you pick up an extra couple of outs so I c/r him here and see if he was iso raising you or has a hand.

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and doing what on the river if called or 3-bet after your check/raised? Do you think a position aware iso raiser is calling a turn check/raise with a hand you beat very often?

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A lot of this is read dependent. I wouldn't like getting 3-bet on the turn but without a read how do you let this go? And if you have the read why do you make it past the flop? Again, these are the crappy decisions you have to make because of poor pre-flop decisions.

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Yeah but the pre flop play is in our rear view mirror and we gotta play the hand. With 7 outs we know we are not folding the turn if he 3-bets and by the time we get to the river we really have a tough time folding top pair no kicker in a really big pot we created by check/raising the turn in the first place. So i just don't think there is enough value to be check/raising here.

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grunch
fold preflop
fold flop
pot is small weak kicker

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fold flop
pot is small weak kicker

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