5/10NL at 300BB. Really weird [censored] turn...
 

Me and Villain have been playing for several hours now. He's very loose pre-flop and on the flop, but overall very passive and a habitual underbettor with everything . A 3xBB raise usually means a drawing hand of some sort. I'm playing a fairly TAG game (the pre-flop re-raise was completely out of the ordinary), but overall running somewhat cold.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 ($970)
CO ($339)
Hero ($2790)
SB ($1035)
BB ($2109.40)
UTG ($1000)
UTG+1 (Villain) ($3280.80)
MP1 ($1930.25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">(Villain) raises to $30</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $90</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">(Villain) raises to $150</font>, Hero calls $60.

Flop: ($315) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Villain bets $30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $250</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Villain raises to $720</font>, Hero calls $470.

Turn: ($1755) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Villain bets $460</font>...

Okay, wtf does that usually mean?

Kirk

Re: 5/10NL at 300BB. Really weird [censored] turn...
 

I'd say usually this means you are drawing dead.

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It's best not to bloat the pot here until you make your hand. The board paired and since you can't decicpher what villain holds, just call with that's great odds he's offering.

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I'd say usually this means you are drawing dead.

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he's very loose pre-flop and on the flop, but overall very passive and a habitual underbettor with everything

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yeah, which is why bet/3-bet pre-flop and on the flop are completely out of character. On the turn I was split between calling given the odds and, like Yeti said, wondering if the odds are at all relevant at that point.

Kirk

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just peel for $30 on the flop

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Just call flop 100%. Very good chance you are drawing dead now. I would probably fold, which sucks at that price.

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i take the freebie ion the flop and fold the turn

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he gave you a fantastic flop price on the nutfd, so this is a bad time to get fancy. he simply doesn't get adequate info on your range with the 30 bet, so take him up on it.

as played, fold when he blocks on the paired turn unless he's crazy lag, you got his number, and AA/99 are only a very tiny percentage of his range.

peace

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Just get it in on the flop if you raising him.

If not, call.

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if I had like a 9 high flush draw I'd probably play it like that on the flop but with the nut draw I like to see for next to nothing

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I'd say usually this means you are drawing dead to aces full.

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RESULTS and reasoning.
 

With shallower stacks I'd normally just peel one off, but I've been after Villain all day and wanted to build a pot if I hit... plus I really didn't give him credit for a calling hand on the flop.. until he popped me back, that is. One the turn paired the board, I folded to his bet.

In general, with deeper stacks I will normally play my draws strong whole way, especially against non-aggro passive opponents.

Kirk

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It means fold

-Mike

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I think your preflop play is very bad.

Every time I see flop action like that it means top set.

The turn fold was prudent.

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why don't you just call that flop bet ??

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I'd say usually this means you are drawing dead.

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yep