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The Venetian has received their $3 chips, and they have revised their limit hold'em offerings. The Venetian poker room is now spreading: 3/6, 6/12, and 9/18 in addition to the larger games.

I think it's interesting that The Venetian decided to axe the $4/8 game. $4/8 is the lowest limit offered at The Venetian's main competitors (Wynn, Bellagio) whereas $3/6 and $6/12 is more commonly found at Mirage and Caesars.

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No 4/8! That sucks.

On an additional note, the Venetian had two 40/80 games going last week.

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So is the 6/12 a 2/4 chip structure?

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I would have been happy to play some 6/12 there last week!

There was no game running at Mirage on Thursday night around 11 and Caesar's board only had 4/8 and 8/16 listed and no 6/12 (none of which were going at all).

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Every night? Good action?

Jeff

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The Venetian has received their $3 chips, and they have revised their limit hold'em offerings. The Venetian poker room is now spreading: 3/6, 6/12, and 9/18 in addition to the larger games.

I think it's interesting that The Venetian decided to axe the $4/8 game. $4/8 is the lowest limit offered at The Venetian's main competitors (Wynn, Bellagio) whereas $3/6 and $6/12 is more commonly found at Mirage and Caesars.

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idiots..... they don't even offer a kill. i was starting to like their 4/8... now wtf. cmon

btw look at ceasers. they had 3/6 going for the first few months. 3/6 and 6/12.. now?? mostly 4/8 as for limit. with the occasionaly 6/12. what spreads make the most sense??
i say a 4/8 with a 1/2 kill .... and to hell with any 3/6 crap

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"So is the 6/12 a 2/4 chip structure? "


Yes.


Best of Luck

Howard

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Caesars Palace did away with 3-6 a few weeks ago. They're no going with 4-8.

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How silly. They don't have enough players for 4/8 and 9/18 and now they think that adding a 3rd limit in that range is good? LOL.

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So is the 6/12 a 2/4 chip structure?

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yep...totally clueless idiots...if they're going to do 9/18 with the $3 chips why the hell wouldnt they do 6/12 with $2 chips? Talk about killing a game!

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How silly. They don't have enough players for 4/8 and 9/18 and now they think that adding a 3rd limit in that range is good? LOL.

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Foxwoods management = doom. Not surprising yet unfortunate.

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I played the 9-18 on Tuesday night...

The button raised, small blind folded, big blind defended, and the dealer promptly removed $4 for rake. I called the floor over and was told the rake was now a straight 10%, instead of what the plaque says. IMO, having the highest rake in Vegas, at these limits, is not a strong selling point.

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Charging a higher rake than the plaque says is a gaming violation. I'm surprised they didn't change the sign, even if they just taped a handwritten replacement over it.

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I played the 9-18 on Tuesday night...

The button raised, small blind folded, big blind defended, and the dealer promptly removed $4 for rake. I called the floor over and was told the rake was now a straight 10%, instead of what the plaque says. IMO, having the highest rake in Vegas, at these limits, is not a strong selling point.

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Yikes! Did they offer a reacharound?

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You guys are on crack. 6/12 is normally a 2 chip /4 chip game. WTF is the difference between 1white+1red/2white+2red vs 2 threes/4threes? Its still the same exact structure.

You do realize that 6/12 is not played with all dollars like 4/8 right? They haven't changed anything except using one denomination instead of 2. The same "amount" of chips are in the pots regardless.

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I'm still trying to figure out where to play. Venetian $3/$6 games sound good, at $2/hr comp, unless it becomes a rock garden like many of the low limit games out here. Poker at the Old Folks Home. I'm trying to play/build my bankroll and $4/8 is a bit outside where I'm comfortable.

I like Kathy Raymond, and she's promising a silk jacket with the logo on the back for players who work the graveyard. She's trying, guys. She was at the Wed Poker Discussion Group last week, asking for suggestions and showing interest in us locals. How about cutting her a little slack and see where she gets the room, huh?

CJ

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Go to California. 6/12 is usually played with $2 chips.

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Go to California. 6/12 is usually played with $2 chips.

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That's nice, but it's usually played with red/white combo in Vegas, making it a 2 chip/4 chip game.

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Photoc that hole in your neck is speaking!

6/12 is a red & white game ONLY in CASINOs....go to a POKER ROOM. Like California. This town has never been able to have decent 6/12 - 10/20 for the simple reason of chip denomination. Managements in LV refuse to believe that there are those in this world that know the "business" of poker better than they. Yet for over 100 years poker was the ONLY legal game in town in places like California, Washington, etc. These places didnt have slot machines, table games, & shows to attract customers. Go to any 12-40 table poker room in California (NOT IN A CASINO) and you'll find no less than 2 6-12 games with a list almost 24/7. Rammin & jammin games too. If LV knew how much rake was lost due to haveing to make change every hand it would astound them. Then if they knew how much rake they lost to smaller pots because of the visual effect of fewer chips they'd fire every poker room manager in this town that used $5 & $1's or spread a $10-20 at all instead of a $9-18 using threes.

Photoc, go to the doctor and get that whole in the side of your neck you talking out of plugged.

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I'm totally confused. You agreed with my post about using red and white chips only yet you tell me I'm wrong? I just think people complaining over a 2 chip/4chip vs the same thing with different denomination chips is rediculous.

Haha, you compare LA to Vegas. 10 million people vs 1 million people and the CHIPS are the reason no one plays the games? How about we have 200k tourists in town that want to play 2/4 all the time instead of having a base of players that want to play higher games? That is something that cannot be controlled. Go to most off strip rooms. The locals ASK for the lowest game in the house...why, so they can jackpot/freeroll chase.

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Like California. This town has never been able to have decent 6/12 - 10/20 for the simple reason of chip denomination.

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I'm confused, what other chip denomination would you use for 10/20 besides red ($5)? Please dont say 2.50.

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I'm totally confused. You agreed with my post about using red and white chips only yet you tell me I'm wrong? I just think people complaining over a 2 chip/4chip vs the same thing with different denomination chips is rediculous.


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Making 6-12 a 2 chip 4 chip is rediculous. Both are wrong.

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Haha, you compare LA to Vegas. 10 million people vs 1 million people and the CHIPS are the reason no one plays the games?

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Where did I ever say LA? In fact I specifically mentioned smaller cardrooms so you wouldnt present this idea.


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How about we have 200k tourists in town that want to play 2/4 all the time instead of having a base of players that want to play higher games? That is something that cannot be controlled.

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It most certainly can be controlled. If you have real poker people running the store.


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Go to most off strip rooms. The locals ASK for the lowest game in the house...why, so they can jackpot/freeroll chase.

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First lets remember that almost all of the off strip "locals" casinos are Stations properties with the linked JP/freeroll. Your comparison is not based on competition within the realm of the poker world. If a poker room opened with nothing but real poker business people running it next door to every Stations casino offering ONLY a bad beat & not the big freeroll they offer, Stations rooms would close within a year. They just wouldnt keep them open for 2 games a day.

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Like California. This town has never been able to have decent 6/12 - 10/20 for the simple reason of chip denomination.

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I'm confused, what other chip denomination would you use for 10/20 besides red ($5)? Please dont say 2.50.

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Photoc,

Do you actually believe a red & white/blue 6/12 game is better than a single $2 chip game? Both for the casino and the players.

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I played the 9-18 on Tuesday night...

The button raised, small blind folded, big blind defended, and the dealer promptly removed $4 for rake. I called the floor over and was told the rake was now a straight 10%, instead of what the plaque says. IMO, having the highest rake in Vegas, at these limits, is not a strong selling point.

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I forgot to mention that in my little report. Complaints abound all ready from the local grinders.

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If a poker room opened with nothing but real poker business people running it next door to every Stations casino offering ONLY a bad beat & not the big freeroll they offer, Stations rooms would close within a year. They just wouldnt keep them open for 2 games a day.

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I can't buy that one. People get accustomed to one thing and think they are getting "comped" by havine jackpots and freerolls, they wont change. Look at V's freeroll where they aren't taking an extra jackpot drop. These people are still all going back to their local joints no matter how good everything is.

I never said good or bad on the 2/4 chip structure also. I just stated that the guys complaining about it, were complaining about something with zero difference from red/white to 3's.

Personaly, on that issue, I have no quams either way about it.

Edit: You didn't say LA, you said Cali, I misstyped. But again, just SoCal has 15 million people and is hard to compare an area with 10x the population and 1/10th the toursism.

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I think the point is that any 2 and 4 chip structure for 6/12 is stupid and unnecesary. $2 chips would be better for everyone.

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I think the point is that any 2 and 4 chip structure for 6/12 is stupid and unnecesary. $2 chips would be better for everyone.

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That's fine, but my point per my last post, was that I didn't have any opinions one way or another on it. I am one of those that could care less about a 1/2 chip difference in structure.

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I played the 9-18 on Tuesday night...

The button raised, small blind folded, big blind defended, and the dealer promptly removed $4 for rake. I called the floor over and was told the rake was now a straight 10%, instead of what the plaque says. IMO, having the highest rake in Vegas, at these limits, is not a strong selling point.

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They were taking more than the placard stated? Surely not.

It's a nitly complaint, but I don't think raking more than the plaque states is allowed. At the same time, to "fix" it I think all they have to do is get a sticky label and paste over the numbers that are there. But casinos don't get to post their rake, and then take extra.

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Never have played 6/12 with the twos but i think it would make the game more fun...at Borgata it is red and white and relatively tight while the pink chip game at teh trop is super loose aggressive and the only real difference is the number of chips...so - the two's do and would make sense if you ask me

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Like California. This town has never been able to have decent 6/12 - 10/20 for the simple reason of chip denomination.

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I'm confused, what other chip denomination would you use for 10/20 besides red ($5)? Please dont say 2.50.

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2.5 would be good, but most CA rooms spread 9/18 rather than 10/20 for obvious reasons.

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Never have played 6/12 with the twos but i think it would make the game more fun...at Borgata it is red and white and relatively tight while the pink chip game at teh trop is super loose aggressive and the only real difference is the number of chips...so - the two's do and would make sense if you ask me

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I used to play 6/12 at Bay 101 with $2 chips and it was always a good game.

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Never have played 6/12 with the twos but i think it would make the game more fun...at Borgata it is red and white and relatively tight while the pink chip game at teh trop is super loose aggressive and the only real difference is the number of chips...so - the two's do and would make sense if you ask me

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I used to play 6/12 at Bay 101 with $2 chips and it was always a good game.

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I played the 8/16 there a couple times (4chip/8chip), do you think it induced more action than the 6/12?

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I played the 9-18 on Tuesday night...

The button raised, small blind folded, big blind defended, and the dealer promptly removed $4 for rake. I called the floor over and was told the rake was now a straight 10%, instead of what the plaque says. IMO, having the highest rake in Vegas, at these limits, is not a strong selling point.

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They were taking more than the placard stated? Surely not.

It's a nitly complaint, but I don't think raking more than the plaque states is allowed. At the same time, to "fix" it I think all they have to do is get a sticky label and paste over the numbers that are there. But casinos don't get to post their rake, and then take extra.

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Well, they did.

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I dont give a [censored] where your from...6/12 should be a 3/6 structure game, using $2 chips ONLY

9/18, same deal, 3/6 structure using $3 chips

if the venetian is going to go this route they should offer 15/30 and 30/60

also, it has become a rock garden, especially in the NL games, I've seen the same 15-20 faces there for the past two weeks (a lot of these faces have migrated from the Wynn, and they are ONLY there for that freeroll)...

with the combination of lackluster parking and the god awful air freshener, with the addition of rocky/non-stellar NL games, I'm gonna have to agree with Mason on this one that the venetian will soon be a doomed room...

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They were doomed from the moment they opened their doors.

A celebrity freeroll for a Lotus? Made me never want to play there. And I don't see many celebrities playing there either.

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, I'm gonna have to agree with Mason on this one that the venetian will soon be a doomed room...

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Never have played 6/12 with the twos but i think it would make the game more fun...at Borgata it is red and white and relatively tight while the pink chip game at teh trop is super loose aggressive and the only real difference is the number of chips...so - the two's do and would make sense if you ask me

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I used to play 6/12 at Bay 101 with $2 chips and it was always a good game.

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I played the 8/16 there a couple times (4chip/8chip), do you think it induced more action than the 6/12?

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Sorry, I don't know, I never played the 8/16 there. I will say it was better than the 8/16 I've played in Vegas.

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Sorry, I don't know, I never played the 8/16 there. I will say it was better than the 8/16 I've played in Vegas.

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The meaning of "Better game" to you may be different than other peoples rendering of better or good. Some people like loose/passive, others like tight/passive, ect..

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That's how they play it at Caesars, with the $2. I thought it was weird at first but just 'cause I'd never seen it. The players fought it at first.

Charging more than the plaque says is a violation. Call the gaming board next time. They'll be down in a hurry I'm sure.

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Sorry, I don't know, I never played the 8/16 there. I will say it was better than the 8/16 I've played in Vegas.

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The meaning of "Better game" to you may be different than other peoples rendering of better or good. Some people like loose/passive, others like tight/passive, ect..

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This is a good point. I do generally prefer loose passive games to lag fests. But, I'm pretty sure that the laggy Bay101 style games are more profitable overall for the majority of good players.