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SvensHorse 05-16-2006 06:34 AM

NL100 KQ top pair
 
Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $169.09
UTG+1: $90.39
CO: $60.80
Button: $43
SB: $175.46
BB: $124.45

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3</font>, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($10, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $6</font>, CO calls, SB folds.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($22, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $13</font>, CO calls.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($48, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $20</font>, CO calls.

Results:
Final pot: $88
Villian is passive, I think there are ver few hands im ahead of on the river, how to play this, comments?

EDIT: Some stats on villian: 40/3/0.6 WTS:40 WOn@SD:70%
over bit over 100 hands.

matv 05-16-2006 06:40 AM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
nh

SvensHorse 05-16-2006 06:43 AM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
Actually i dont really know, if i'M ahead on the river the most time.

delta k 05-16-2006 06:44 AM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
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Actually i dont really know, if i'M ahead on the river the most time.

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Thats because you didn't tell us about villian. He's paassive, ok...but loose/tight? Will he calls with hands we beat? That's what we need to know.

matv 05-16-2006 06:46 AM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
this is a blocking bet it looks quite standard to me, i insta-muck even if im min raised

delta k 05-16-2006 07:02 AM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
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this is a blocking bet it looks quite standard to me, i insta-muck even if im min raised

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Of course it is. But villian is passive. We dont need to block if he is not going to bet UNLESS he has us beat.

matv 05-16-2006 07:07 AM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
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this is a blocking bet it looks quite standard to me, i insta-muck even if im min raised

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Of course it is. But villian is passive. We dont need to block if he is not going to bet UNLESS he has us beat.

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good point, didnt think of this. though....do we know this?

begbie100 05-16-2006 07:13 AM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
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Of course it is. But villian is passive. We dont need to block if he is not going to bet UNLESS he has us beat.

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I agree, it's safe to just check against villain with 0.6 aggression factor, 80% of the time he just checks behind, if he bets more than 1/3 pot, you can safely fold tpgk.

delta k 05-16-2006 07:13 AM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
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this is a blocking bet it looks quite standard to me, i insta-muck even if im min raised

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Of course it is. But villian is passive. We dont need to block if he is not going to bet UNLESS he has us beat.

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good point, didnt think of this. though....do we know this?

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OP says villian is passive, that's all we know....

matv 05-16-2006 07:18 AM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
oh he has 0.6 aggression factor yer we can prob check-fold.

EDIT: i still calla really weak bet

twang 05-16-2006 07:36 AM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
I like it. Hero hasn't exactly shown a lot of strength: both the pf-raise and the flop bet was on the small side and the turn bet on the flush card was a bit probe-ish. I can imagine even passive players trying to pick up the pot if we check the river and that would leave us with a tricky decision. I think a blocker (maybe a slightly smaller one) is perfectly fine here.

DWarrior 05-16-2006 07:52 AM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
Again, is it just me here? I bet $7/$8 here on the flop.

jii 05-16-2006 08:23 AM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
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Again, is it just me here? I bet $7/$8 here on the flop.

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It's not you. $6 bet screams "I'm weak!"...

Mr. Sakuraba 05-16-2006 09:23 AM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
Two things i dont like.

1.KQs is not a hand i want to be raising utg.
2.The flop bet is too small. Make it at least 8.

pho75 05-16-2006 09:23 AM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
I don't like the preflop raise or the flop cbet, but the rest seems fine. I might have made a value/blocking bet on the river, something like $15.

The reason I don't like the preflop raise is to keep you out of this exact situation. KQs is not strong enough to play OOP. A calling station like CO is going to call you with a variety of hands and you will only hit the flop about %35 of the time. Most of the time you will be OOP, without a hand, facing a calling station.

This brings me to my second point. I don't like that cbet at all. You are trying to bluff a classic calling station. Never do that. Actually this is a perfect spot NOT to cbet. SB has already checked and CO is not going to bluff you. If he does bet, you can safely fold, knowing he has a better hand.

DWarrior 05-16-2006 09:29 AM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
I'm borderline nit 18/14, and I open raise KQ from any position :\

Dan Bitel 05-16-2006 09:32 AM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
RAISING KQs UTG 6MAX IS PRETTY DAMN STANDARD Y'ALL

DWarrior 05-16-2006 09:34 AM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
Also, wouldn't we have a similar problem with AQ in this spot?

vulturesrow 05-16-2006 10:31 AM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
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RAISING KQs UTG 6MAX IS PRETTY DAMN STANDARD Y'ALL

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pho75 05-17-2006 10:55 AM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
What kind of an edge do you think you have when you raise KQ UTG?

orange 05-17-2006 12:55 PM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
nh, standard hand.

vulturesrow 05-17-2006 01:14 PM

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What kind of an edge do you think you have when you raise KQ UTG?

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I think that I am ahead of all lower non paired hands, I dominate a lot of broadway trash, Im dominated by a few big hands and Im a coinflip against PP up to JJ.

mwatkins 05-17-2006 01:33 PM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
i would be happy checking the river with a passive player, especially as the queen came out on the turn, if he had top pair on flop but didnt hit two pair on the turn i cant see him raising the river unless hes beating you, maybe imagine to see
a,j, k,j possibly q,j but scared to raise as it was a flush card...but unlikely.

Nh

Jamougha 05-17-2006 01:54 PM

Re: NL100 KQ top pair
 
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What kind of an edge do you think you have when you raise KQ UTG?

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A really freaking big one. High, suited, connected cards are premium hands. Not raising this at 6 max is a leak.

Edit, btw this hand is fine on all streets. Guy's a calling station.


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