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Villain is a 40/20 LAG who overplays hands postflop. Open raised AK from the CO, got c/r'ed on a low flop UI and 3bet, then bet the turn and checked through the riv.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $10.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero calls, MP folds.

Flop: (5 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls.

River: (9.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero...

I'm pretty sure there's plenty of value in a river bet when checked to vs. this guy. He's played it like a monster with the turn sexy which includes a bunch of sets and 2pair hands that would easily call one more. He's obviously not a maniac though, so how often am I chopping or winning vs. this checkraise?

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CHECK THROUGH THE RIVER NO WORSE HANDS ARE CALLING

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Normally I'd agree but he's a LAG who is representing a monster with his line that just got scared of the straight. Don't you think 2-pair and sets are calling this day and night?

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I think there is value in betting this; I would imagine you get crying calls from sets and KQ. The real issue is that there is almost no chance he is raising any of these hands on the river unless he is LAGtarded. So...wtf to do now that raised? Can you fold? I couldn't fold this against a lag.

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ton of value in betting the river. his turn checkraise makes me think 2 pair is a good bit more likely than a hand w/an ace in it here.

and i pay off his checkraise.

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wrong. worse hands definitely call here, two pairs and sets, u couldve had a busted draw etc etc, and people do some crazy things in blind battles (not calling this river w/ a respectable hand (two pair or above) hopefully not one of them)

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You think KQ QJ KJ just give up on the river?

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There's plenty of value in a bet here.

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I like every street, call the river raise. You made a very good value bet on the river given the way this hand played out. I wouldnt worry about the results. NH

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I like every street, call the river raise. You made a very good value bet on the river given the way this hand played out. I wouldnt worry about the results. NH

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Villain is a 40/20 LAG who overplays hands postflop. Open raised AK from the CO, got c/r'ed on a low flop UI and 3bet, then bet the turn and checked through the riv.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $10.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero calls, MP folds.

Flop: (5 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls.

River: (9.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero...

I'm pretty sure there's plenty of value in a river bet when checked to vs. this guy. He's played it like a monster with the turn sexy which includes a bunch of sets and 2pair hands that would easily call one more. He's obviously not a maniac though, so how often am I chopping or winning vs. this checkraise?

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I think this is a great bet. You have to pay it off because some LAG is liable to raise KQ here on the river without thinking/without noticing the texture of the board. Or just because he's a LAG.

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Getting c/r'ed sucks, but I definitely think there's value in a bet. Call the c/r.

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I don't think you have to be LAGtarded to c/r bluff this river. Opponent has a lot of fold equity, and the original poster doesn't need a straight to bet when checked to.

What if, instead of a straight, the original poster had KT? A fold is probably in order there, even though opponent could very well be making a move with JQ, JT, etc...

Anyway, the point is - it would be a bad to fold a straight here because it's not unreasonable to expect a thinking LAG to bluff.

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id expect a LAG to bet this river with an A more often than he'd c/r it, so I call. also, i like the rest of your line.

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Glad you all agree on the value bet. I made the crying call to be shown AdQd. His play with a hand like that makes it all the more likely he could also checkraise that river with a loser, so the call seems in order.

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Villian played the hand pretty well, imo.

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very LAGesque

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Villian played the hand pretty well, imo.

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nope, not really.

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never ever check against this guy or 95% of other onkline players here, they call pocket 88 here.