Too tight here?
 

I feel like I didn't give this guy a hard enough time here...seems like I may have played it weak. I don't have much a read on the guy at the moment; so, given that, how should I have played this hand? I wanted to just call reraise on flop to see make sure there wasn't a diamond on turn...I thought top pair was more likely but wanted to be safe. I thought KQ was a definite possibility here...hence, call on turn. Please comment on all streets.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($611.10)
UTG ($1531.15)
Hero ($1980.72)
CO ($1063)
Button ($616.25)
SB ($738)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $3.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $22</font>, Hero calls $22, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $22, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $16.

Flop: ($91) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $40</font>, Button calls $40, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $80</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $40, Button calls $40.

Turn: ($331) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $175</font>, Hero calls $175, Button folds.

River: ($681) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero calls $334.10.

Final Pot: $1015.10

Re: Too tight here?
 

Push turn.

Re: Too tight here?
 

that flop bet is horrible

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that flop bet is horribe

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Hah, didn't notice that.

Yeah, bet more on the flop.

Re: Too tight here?
 

yeah, too tight.

Bet more on flop, and prob get it in witout too much thought here.

You have bottom two, but its raised pot; these guys dont have KK/K5/K4. The only thing they could have youll hate is 44/55, but thats less likely because of you're hand.

Anyway, you're bet size is bad on flop, your call is worse given they're probably on draw. When you call a raise and get this flop with 100bb effective stacks, you should salivate.

Re: Too tight here?
 

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these guys dont have KK/K5/K4

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FWIW, I'm usually calling in the BB with Kxs, here.

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these guys dont have KK/K5/K4

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FWIW, I'm usually a maniac, here.

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FYP

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these guys dont have KK/K5/K4

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FWIW, I'm usually a maniac, here.

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FYP

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Getting almost 5:1 with a suited K and full stacks, come on.

Re: Too tight here?
 

Yeesh. I didn't recognize multiple people were 150+BB deep with us covering and everyone with a full stack.

Yeah, easy call closing action.

Re: Too tight here?
 

Thanks for the replies guys.

So, bet more on the flop? Like $80 or pot? And am I correct in thinking that a bigger bet would serve to get out the drawing hands...people with pocket pairs looking to hit trips...kings with low kickers...or is there something more to it?

Also, how do you like my smooth call pf? Is this standard or nonsense?

One thing that lead me, I think, to just a call on flop was the fact that another person was also in it and calling...BB. That lead me to be "careful" on turn. Is this dumb?

Also, if I'm going to push the turn...why not just push the flop? Is it because I'm unlikely to get a call from a lesser hand if I push on flop. Maybe AA or AK will call...but not much else. Is this reasoning correct? You folks assume that I'm still likely to be ahead on turn? If so, why?

I understand that it should probably be raise all in or fold here...correct?

Appreciate all the response.

I'll post results after I hear the responses to this.

Re: Too tight here?
 

bump

Re: Too tight here?
 

fold preflop.

bet close to pot on the flop.

Re: Too tight here?
 

AA or a big king will call or raise even if you bet 3/4 of pot or more. Flush draws might call thinking they're still getting ok implied odds to bust you, etc. As is you have a hand that is fairly vulnerable and you're giving people great odds to draw and make their hands. Plus, if you bet 2/3 of pot on flop with draws or junk, you will pick up these pots a fair amount. If you're only making large flop bets with junk, and betting little with your big hands, you're giving up a lot of value.

Re: Too tight here?
 

After the raise there is already $245 in the pot. Am I the only one that likes getting all-in at this point rather then calling? Bottom pair on a flush draw board is annoying in that there are a lot of cards that could slow you down. Make the draws pay if they wanna play and still possibly get AK or some big hands money in who doubled your bet.