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I've been thinking of a new type of game. I call it No-Limit Crazy Pineapple Option Hold'em. Tournament Style only.

It's basically just like a NoLimit Hold'em tournament (with small and big blind) except you have the option of paying a big blind to receive an extra card that you must discard preflop or pay two big blinds and discard the extra card after the flop. Or just play with your two cards.

Basically you have to declare your intention of taking the extra card in order starting with left of the big blind and then in order, and you can't change your mind.

It will create a lot of extra blind money and create a lot of different strategy decisions (based on blind size, position, stack size, etc...)

Thoughts please... I'm gonna try this at my next big poker night with friends and see how it goes.

What are the dynamics I have to consider? Obviously there won't be an ante (that will create too much blind money and force everyone to take the extra card, turning the entire game into a crapshoot). What about when it gets 3-handed and heads-up?

Thanks for the input,

Fish

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I've been thinking of a new type of game. I call it No-Limit Crazy Pineapple Option Hold'em. Tournament Style only.

It's basically just like a NoLimit Hold'em tournament (with small and big blind) except you have the option of paying a big blind to receive an extra card that you must discard preflop or pay two big blinds and discard the extra card after the flop. Or just play with your two cards.

Basically you have to declare your intention of taking the extra card in order starting with left of the big blind and then in order, and you can't change your mind.

It will create a lot of extra blind money and create a lot of different strategy decisions (based on blind size, position, stack size, etc...)

Thoughts please... I'm gonna try this at my next big poker night with friends and see how it goes.

What are the dynamics I have to consider? Obviously there won't be an ante (that will create too much blind money and force everyone to take the extra card, turning the entire game into a crapshoot). What about when it gets 3-handed and heads-up?

Thanks for the input,

Fish

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Fish, will they have to decide BEFORE they get dealt their original two cards, or after they look at them (but before any flop betting)? I assume the former.

I think you risk the crapshoot effect on a lot of the rounds with fuller tables, depending on how conservative your players are. Once the extra blinds start going into the pot, there's more incentive to pay to play AND the flop pot might be so big that it doesn't matter if you hit or not.

If you try it, let us know how it works. It sounds like a cash game that I might try on my wild card nights.

If the idea intrigues you, look for a post on ThermoNuclear Pineapple (I can't remember if it was HP or somewhere else).

Basically, it's Crazy Pinapple with 2 extra cards (you get 5 cards dealt preflop)- you discard one PF, one after the flop and one after the turn (ending up with 2 cards to see the river with).

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This game sounds pretty cool. I know that I'd like to try it, even though it does sound like it runs a large risk of turning into a crapshoot.
As far as strategy is concerned, I would think that taking extra cards would only be a good idea in the big blind and in late position. As long as you do that I would think that you'd have a huge advantage on opponents who don't account for position.

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you have the option of paying a big blind to receive an extra card that you must discard preflop

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I don't know that I'd want to pay for a card I had to discard. A big blind seems like a steep price just to have 49 unknown cards out there instead of 50.

--Zetack

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you have the option of paying a big blind to receive an extra card that you must discard preflop

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I don't know that I'd want to pay for a card I had to discard. A big blind seems like a steep price just to have 49 unknown cards out there instead of 50.

--Zetack

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would you pay the 2 BBs to keep 3 cards on the flop?

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you have the option of paying a big blind to receive an extra card that you must discard preflop

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I don't know that I'd want to pay for a card I had to discard. A big blind seems like a steep price just to have 49 unknown cards out there instead of 50.

--Zetack

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would you pay the 2 BBs to keep 3 cards on the flop?

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According to the original post you if you pay 2 BB's you can keep the extra card till after the flop. I'm assuming that I can remember the card between the time its dealt and the time I would be forced to throw it away after the flop, so that seems like a real waste of a BB just to have the card in my hand instead of in the muck. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

--Zetack

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you have the option of paying a big blind to receive an extra card that you must discard preflop

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I don't know that I'd want to pay for a card I had to discard. A big blind seems like a steep price just to have 49 unknown cards out there instead of 50.

--Zetack

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would you pay the 2 BBs to keep 3 cards on the flop?

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According to the original post you if you pay 2 BB's you can keep the extra card till after the flop. I'm assuming that I can remember the card between the time its dealt and the time I would be forced to throw it away after the flop, so that seems like a real waste of a BB just to have the card in my hand instead of in the muck. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

--Zetack

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Zetack, it's unclear from his post, but it seems like this is more like "optional crazy pineapple," where you can get the extra card if you pay for it, and then CHOOSE which one you discard.

-McGee

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According to the original post you if you pay 2 BB's you can keep the extra card till after the flop. I'm assuming that I can remember the card between the time its dealt and the time I would be forced to throw it away after the flop, so that seems like a real waste of a BB just to have the card in my hand instead of in the muck.

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Zetack, it's unclear from his post, but it seems like this is more like "optional crazy pineapple," where you can get the extra card if you pay for it, and then CHOOSE which one you discard.

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Actually, Aces, I thought it was VERY clear:

"except you have the option of paying a big blind to receive an extra card that you must discard preflop or pay two big blinds and discard the extra card after the flop"

1 BB extra paid= Pineapple hand
2 BB paid = Crazy Pineapple hand

Now Zetack, is it worth one small bet to switch from Pineapple to Crazy Pineapple, especially if others don't? You have a positional advantage on your decision, similar to draw...
I don't know the answer.

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Actually, Aces, I thought it was VERY clear:

"except you have the option of paying a big blind to receive an extra card that you must discard preflop or pay two big blinds and discard the extra card after the flop"



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In defense of Zetack, if you read this literally, the original poster is saying that the "extra" card you receive is the one you must discard.

-McGee

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Actually, Aces, I thought it was VERY clear:

"except you have the option of paying a big blind to receive an extra card that you must discard preflop or pay two big blinds and discard the extra card after the flop"



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In defense of Zetack, if you read this literally, the original poster is saying that the "extra" card you receive is the one you must discard.

-McGee

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You are correct- my apologies to both of you. I read that as Pineapple.

OP, if you'd have to discard the 3rd card automatically, this game is dumb and only stupid fishies or degenerate gamblers buy the card.

I'm assuming you have 3 cards to chose from, when folding a card.

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Actually, Aces, I thought it was VERY clear:

"except you have the option of paying a big blind to receive an extra card that you must discard preflop or pay two big blinds and discard the extra card after the flop"



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In defense of Zetack, if you read this literally, the original poster is saying that the "extra" card you receive is the one you must discard.

-McGee

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You are correct- my apologies to both of you. I read that as Pineapple.

OP, if you'd have to discard the 3rd card automatically, this game is dumb and only stupid fishies or degenerate gamblers buy the card.

I'm assuming you have 3 cards to chose from, when folding a card.

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Clearly what the OP wrote is not what he meant. I was just ragging on the guy for a game that would be really dumb if played as literally written.

Hey, I amuse myself with these observations, although clearly not anybody else...

--Zetack

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Actually, Aces, I thought it was VERY clear:

"except you have the option of paying a big blind to receive an extra card that you must discard preflop or pay two big blinds and discard the extra card after the flop"



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In defense of Zetack, if you read this literally, the original poster is saying that the "extra" card you receive is the one you must discard.

-McGee

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You are correct- my apologies to both of you. I read that as Pineapple.

OP, if you'd have to discard the 3rd card automatically, this game is dumb and only stupid fishies or degenerate gamblers buy the card.

I'm assuming you have 3 cards to chose from, when folding a card.

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Clearly what the OP wrote is not what he meant. I was just ragging on the guy for a game that would be really dumb if played as literally written.

Hey, I amuse myself with these observations, although clearly not anybody else...

--Zetack

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So you got it all along. This is my fault, then. I had a feeling you might've been being sarcastic, but when you posted the same "misunderstanding" twice, I thought you might have actually read it literally.

-McGee

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Clearly what the OP wrote is not what he meant. I was just ragging on the guy for a game that would be really dumb if played as literally written.

Hey, I amuse myself with these observations, although clearly not anybody else...

--Zetack

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So you got it all along. This is my fault, then. I had a feeling you might've been being sarcastic, but when you posted the same "misunderstanding" twice, I thought you might have actually read it literally.

-McGee

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And I feel stupid for missing that completely. I may have to drop down a level as punishment.

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I'd guess the strategy would be pretty standard:

[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]no extra hole card in EP
[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]pineapple hand in MP
[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]crazy pineapple hand in LP

Position would be everything in this game.

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Yes, you are right about it being pineapple for one small bet and crazy pineapple for two small bets. I guess I didn't write out what was in my head out very clearly. But you guys get the idea.

Fish

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you have the option of paying a big blind to receive an extra card that you must discard preflop

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I don't know that I'd want to pay for a card I had to discard. A big blind seems like a steep price just to have 49 unknown cards out there instead of 50.

--Zetack

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I think you misunderstand the proposed game. You get to chose which of your three cards you throw away; you don't automatically throw away the card you "purchase." So if you get dealt A2 for your first two cards, but took the option to get a third card and were dealt an A, you could toss the 2 and hold AA.

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Is the decision to pay for the pinapple/crazy done before you recieve cards?

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Is the decision to pay for the pinapple/crazy done before you recieve cards?

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Yes, it works just like another round of betting where position matters since you will be able to see who buys the extra cards and how much dead money is in the pot. The order is just like preflop.

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What are the dynamics I have to consider?

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The biggest one would be remembering who paid how much and when they had to discard. The easiest way would be to split the descisions/payments, so you pay the BB for an extra card before cards are dealt, and then make the decision (in order starting UTG) to keep it and pay another BB or to discard before the flop is dealt.

Martin