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i am playin 1/2 limit and 2/4 limit right now and don have any set bankroll but my goal is to play reguarly 5/10 limit buy the end of the year .
what is the required bankroll for this limt ?

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$3000

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Somewhere between $2,000 and $10,000 depending on: (i) how you play, (ii) whether you play recreationally or professionally, (iii) whether you have the discipline to step down if you run bad and, of course, (iv) who you happen to be asking.

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That's if he is a significant winner. With the games these days, especially if he's playing 6-max I'd suggest at least $5000.

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not enough info to respond.

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This may seem like a simple question - but do you simply double your BR requirements for multitabling (i.e. BR of $6K for two tables, $9K for three, etc)?

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I play mostly 1/2 holdem mostly on party poker and right now don have any set bankroll .i am avg 1k/week playin everday .But have played as high as 10/20 to jus taste high limits and i dint see any diff in that level it is beatable.But i don wanna play 5/10 until i have req bankroll to start playin this limit.
yes i play 6 max mostly(edited)

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This may seem like a simple question - but do you simply double your BR requirements for multitabling (i.e. BR of $6K for two tables, $9K for three, etc)?

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Same roll for any amount of tables at the same limit.

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get 3k and do it. If you drop back to 2k goto 3/6.

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3k if you can move down, even less if you are a huge winner and can move down.

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Hijack warning: Same question for 10/20, are we going with 300,500, or 1kBB on average here?

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it depends.

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You make 500 bets/week? Even w/ an insane winrate, that would be alot of hands a week.

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You make 500 bets/week? Even w/ an insane winrate, that would be alot of hands a week.

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well jus got a mail today that i am now in there vip club i am not sure how it goes,so yeah must be playin lotsa hands.
and the result is for last 1 month only i used to play stt and mtt but i find cash games a steady source of income.

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1k a week at 1/2 6max? Long-term? Ugh.

Anyways, i won't be stepping up to 5/10 6max until i have 15k.. i have 12k online bankroll right now but i rarely sit down at anything higher then 3/6 6max. It REALLY depends on if your playing full-time and if this is your sole source of income.

How willing are you to go on a 500bb downswing with said bankroll?

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I think 15K for 5/10 is a little much. IF you lose 1000BB at any one level it is time to move down or seriously re-evaluate your game. Of course if you are a pro and this includes living expense etc than that is fine.

However I really do not think that the OP is a pro. I say if you think you are ready for the game give it a shot with 200BB if you lose 50BB or so move down and rebuild. Taking shots at higher games and moving down when unsucessful really helped in the developement of my game. Everytime I took a shot at higher limits I learned new things

As a word of advice to the OP. From your post it doesnt seem like you are that experienced so it might be better to stay at 1/2 for some time and work on your game.

I promise you the competition is MUCH stiffer at 5/10 and 10/20

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as someone who just recently moved through party's 5/10 game (60k hands)...i'd recommend at least 500BB...preferably 600.

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This may seem like a simple question - but do you simply double your BR requirements for multitabling (i.e. BR of $6K for two tables, $9K for three, etc)?

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Same roll for any amount of tables at the same limit.

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This is not true. As the number of tables increases your standard deviation increases by the square root of the number of tables being played.

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This may seem like a simple question - but do you simply double your BR requirements for multitabling (i.e. BR of $6K for two tables, $9K for three, etc)?

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Same roll for any amount of tables at the same limit.

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This is not true. As the number of tables increases your standard deviation increases by the square root of the number of tables being played.

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I know nothing of the math behind this, but it's pretty much always been said that the requirement is the same. I mean, playing 200 hands @ 10 tables is exactly the same as playing 2000 hands at 1 table for purposes of variance. The only issue is if you play a lot of tables you want to make sure that you can do a full buy in (which for me is like 40/50BB's since I don't like having to monitor how I'm doing at each table and rebuy) even after a downswing, then you might want some extra. But it has nothing to do with your risk of ruin (except for the degree to which your winrate might decrease from playing more tables).

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1/2= 3000$
2/4= 6000$

5/10= 15000$

Thats just me. Im I crazy or what? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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1/2= 3000$
2/4= 6000$

5/10= 15000$

Thats just me. Im I crazy or what? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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You're crazy. Seriously, if it is an ability problem, ie you aren't confident you are where you need to be to be comfortable skillwise at the next level, fine. I can also see the argument that you want to be comfortable with the swings at the next level. Dropping 50BB very often and having that be 10% of your bankroll can be stressful the first few times at a higher limit.

But really, quit being a nit and move up.

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This may seem like a simple question - but do you simply double your BR requirements for multitabling (i.e. BR of $6K for two tables, $9K for three, etc)?

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Same roll for any amount of tables at the same limit.

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This is not true. As the number of tables increases your standard deviation increases by the square root of the number of tables being played.

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I know nothing of the math behind this, but it's pretty much always been said that the requirement is the same. I mean, playing 200 hands @ 10 tables is exactly the same as playing 2000 hands at 1 table for purposes of variance. The only issue is if you play a lot of tables you want to make sure that you can do a full buy in (which for me is like 40/50BB's since I don't like having to monitor how I'm doing at each table and rebuy) even after a downswing, then you might want some extra. But it has nothing to do with your risk of ruin (except for the degree to which your winrate might decrease from playing more tables).

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Sorry, but no. Swings may happen faster timewise but the standard deviation in terms of hands (which is what counts) is the same regardless of how many tables you play.

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At 5/10 short, $2000 drops are not uncommon. $3000 drops happen even if you're a damn fine player. Just be prepared.

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At 5/10 short, $2000 drops are not uncommon. $3000 drops happen even if you're a damn fine player. Just be prepared.

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BP = be able to move down

$2000 ups are not uncommon either.

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At 5/10 short, $2000 drops are not uncommon. $3000 drops happen even if you're a damn fine player. Just be prepared.

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BP = be able to move down

$2000 ups are not uncommon either.

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I play mostly 1/2 holdem mostly on party poker and right now don have any set bankroll .i am avg 1k/week playin everday

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No you aren't.

How many hands have you played?

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I play mostly 1/2 holdem mostly on party poker and right now don have any set bankroll .i am avg 1k/week playin everday

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No you aren't.

How many hands have you played?

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I'm guessing 10k at most

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I play mostly 1/2 holdem mostly on party poker and right now don have any set bankroll .i am avg 1k/week playin everday

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No you aren't.

How many hands have you played?

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fwiw, it'd be super easy to make $1,000 a week playing 1/2 with bonuses and play at 25 hours/week

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well, I've already had two >200BB downswings at 5/10 full after about 50K hands. i'm not a huge winner though, 1BB/100 so far so I can expect to continue having this large swings. I've also had pretty quick upswings of 400 and 300 BBs. I would suggest a BR of 500BBs at least.

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More than 2000, move down when you drop down to 2000 or if you dont feel like you are playing well compared to your opponents.
3K is probably a good number to take a shot with. 4-5K if you dont want to move down and you are a winning player at that limit..

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1/2= 3000$
2/4= 6000$

5/10= 15000$

Thats just me. Im I crazy or what? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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You're crazy. Seriously, if it is an ability problem, ie you aren't confident you are where you need to be to be comfortable skillwise at the next level, fine. I can also see the argument that you want to be comfortable with the swings at the next level. Dropping 50BB very often and having that be 10% of your bankroll can be stressful the first few times at a higher limit.

But really, quit being a nit and move up.

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Theoretically its nitty but practically I agree with those sort of figures. When you have a big downswing (300+ BBs)its not the number of BBs lost that gets to you as much as the dent in your bankroll that really hurts. It helps to have such a large bankroll that the downswings make little impression.

All the theory in the world doesn't help you prepare for the horrific realisation that you're -300BB and the really bad slump could just be about to begin.

The 'dropping down' theory is all very well but its tough to execute before your game goes to pot.

edit: maybe $15000 is a bit ott for 5/10 but its a lot more sensible than $3000. I'd go with about $10000

chez

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No you aren't.

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What? how? how many tables are we playing at the same time? $1000 a week at 1/2. that would be incredible. Please go on....

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I used to be completely over-rolled for 5/10 and 10/20 and I found myself wasting all the extra money laying around by playing high-buyin donkaments and higher limit games. So - if you are going to keep a ridiculous roll for your game, are you going to have the discipline to use it just for that game?

I play 5/10 short exclusively now and cashed down to 300bb. Every Sunday I cash back down to 300bb and pull the profit out of Neteller. I've had a few dips, but between bonuses and rb it makes it easier to keep my roll threshold and cashout rules working.

Also - I have a full time non-poker job, so the specter of going BUTSO isn't completely horrific.

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I can't imagine keeping only 300BB's for 5/10 short. Especially if you multi-table and like to sit down with more than 25 BB's at each table.

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It all depends.

Option A. $2k - The gambler.
You want to take a shot. If you run hot your roll will be over 3k quickly. If you drop 500, drop down.

Option B. $3k - The risk taker.
You have the minimum roll. Give it a try. If you drop to 2k move back down and try again when you have 3k again.

Option c. $5k - Conservative.
You have a large roll for your current limit. You can take a shot at 5/10 and still have plenty of $$$ if you do poorly and move back down.

Option d. - $10k
For those who are:
Too stubborn to move back down.
Unable or unwilling to ever add more $$$ to their bankroll.
Use poker as a source of income.
When your roll is very large, the swings have a lesser mental effect. You still have a very large roll if you move back down. You can take a bigger shot at moving up which gives you a better chance of adjusting to a new level.

These are just examples and everyone has their own unique tolerance for risk. You just have to know what size roll is best for you.

I normally maintain at least 1000+ BBs. A big roll allows me to play my best and not worry about going bust.

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Option d. - $10k
For those who are:
Too stubborn to move back down.
Use poker as a source of income.
When your roll is very large, the swings have a lesser mental effect. You still have a very large roll if you move back down. You can take a bigger shot at moving up which gives you a better chance of adjusting to a new level.


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Very well put sir

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i play 5/10 with an $1100 br, i know it's low as hell as i am a 2/4 reg. player, but at my site most people never buy in with over 200$ most are around 10 bb so i just demolish them.
i play 1 table only

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I haven't won at 5/10 short since early March, and every day I thank god that I had a ~$10k bankroll when the slide started.

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This may seem like a simple question - but do you simply double your BR requirements for multitabling (i.e. BR of $6K for two tables, $9K for three, etc)?

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Same roll for any amount of tables at the same limit.

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This is not true. As the number of tables increases your standard deviation increases by the square root of the number of tables being played.

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I know nothing of the math behind this, but it's pretty much always been said that the requirement is the same. I mean, playing 200 hands @ 10 tables is exactly the same as playing 2000 hands at 1 table for purposes of variance. The only issue is if you play a lot of tables you want to make sure that you can do a full buy in (which for me is like 40/50BB's since I don't like having to monitor how I'm doing at each table and rebuy) even after a downswing, then you might want some extra. But it has nothing to do with your risk of ruin (except for the degree to which your winrate might decrease from playing more tables).

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Sorry, but no. Swings may happen faster timewise but the standard deviation in terms of hands (which is what counts) is the same regardless of how many tables you play.

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Isn't that what I said?

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I haven't won at 5/10 short since early March, and every day I thank god that I had a ~$10k bankroll when the slide started.

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