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If you made the final table of the main event
Ok, you have made it through a field of 1200 players and its down to the final 9. You are approached by the major online sites with offers to wear their apparel in exchange for a large payment on tomorrow's Final table taping. However, there is no deal for any affiliation with the site once the final table concludes.
However, you know that if you are to win this event (let's say you are the middle man in chip position), you will make at least $10 M (this is what FullTilt is offering if you play for them all the way through) initially and gain some sort of contract and sponsorship worth over $1M annually for the next 5 years. Is it +EV to: 1. Take the substantial but smaller payment up front 2. Wear whatever you want and hope you will be winning 10M for poker and making 10M+ with your new contract |
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You have to wear Fulltilt gear to get the fulltilt money I believe. Just make a deal with Fulltilt that gets you money regardless of whether or not you win.
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if you do happen to make a FT you can probably negotiate a better deal for yourself to become +ev
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The main event is gonna be like 8,000 players not 1,200...
Just being a nit. |
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The rule last year (at least for the preliminary events before the Main Event) was that you could not negotiate an endorsement for a televised final table once the final table was decided. In other words, if you didn't have a pre-existing agreement with an online sponsor before the final table was decided, you had to wait until after the event to sign a deal.
I don't know how strictly it's enforced, but the online sites seemed to respect the rule, and I didn't see any players come to a final table sponsored who weren't previously sponsored. -Aces |
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The rule last year (at least for the preliminary events before the Main Event) was that you could not negotiate an endorsement for a televised final table once the final table was decided. In other words, if you didn't have a pre-existing agreement with an online sponsor before the final table was decided, you had to wait until after the event to sign a deal. I don't know how strictly it's enforced, but the online sites seemed to respect the rule, and I didn't see any players come to a final table sponsored who weren't previously sponsored. -Aces [/ QUOTE ] I kind of doubt that. I don't see how they could enforce that unless you have to sign something before the tournament starts. Even then, what could they possibly do other than make you not wear a FullTilt shirt (they prob couldn't even do that). |
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The rule last year (at least for the preliminary events before the Main Event) was that you could not negotiate an endorsement for a televised final table once the final table was decided. [/ QUOTE ] I'm really curious and am going to avoid my normal sarcasm but who made up this so-called rule that excludes someone from negotiating a contract at whatever time suits them? Is this some sort of gentlemen's agreement between the sites or a right that players actually sign away with Harrahs? If it is the former I can't wait to see how long the gentlemen's agreement holds up when an Erica Schoenberg caliber fox is at the final table. |
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The rule last year (at least for the preliminary events before the Main Event) was that you could not negotiate an endorsement for a televised final table once the final table was decided. In other words, if you didn't have a pre-existing agreement with an online sponsor before the final table was decided, you had to wait until after the event to sign a deal. I don't know how strictly it's enforced, but the online sites seemed to respect the rule, and I didn't see any players come to a final table sponsored who weren't previously sponsored. -Aces [/ QUOTE ] Aaron Kanter became Party sponsored for the FT and I swear their was a post a few monthes back about how he was paid like 2.5M to wear it. I am going to try to find that post now. |
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Aaron Kanter became Party sponsored for the FT and I swear their was a post a few monthes back about how he was paid like 2.5M to wear it. I am going to try to find that post now. [/ QUOTE ] No way, I'd like to see that post... Why the hell do you think you would get 2.5 million dollars to wear a shirt on TV. lol |
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[ QUOTE ] Aaron Kanter became Party sponsored for the FT and I swear their was a post a few monthes back about how he was paid like 2.5M to wear it. I am going to try to find that post now. [/ QUOTE ] No way, I'd like to see that post... Why the hell do you think you would get 2.5 million dollars to wear a shirt on TV. lol [/ QUOTE ] because they make that in a day and if he wins the main event they'd love to say they have a world champion |
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I thought I had read that Andrew Black was less than thrilled with the treatment the Party folks were giving him. He won his seat through them but I thought he wore Full Tilt stuff at the final table.
Anyone have a link or know whether I am remembering this accurately or not? |
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I thought I had read that Andrew Black was less than thrilled with the treatment the Party folks were giving him. He won his seat through them but I thought he wore Full Tilt stuff at the final table. Anyone have a link or know whether I am remembering this accurately or not? [/ QUOTE ] Indeed, you are correct sir. Supposedly the story goes that he was treated like crap until they got down to the last few hundred or so and then they started sucking up to him. He completely blew them off. Kanter was paid 2.5 million for the shirt at the final table. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Aaron Kanter became Party sponsored for the FT and I swear their was a post a few monthes back about how he was paid like 2.5M to wear it. I am going to try to find that post now. [/ QUOTE ] No way, I'd like to see that post... Why the hell do you think you would get 2.5 million dollars to wear a shirt on TV. lol [/ QUOTE ] because they make that in a day and if he wins the main event they'd love to say they have a world champion [/ QUOTE ] How about a promise of a contract for a couple million if he wins, but he has to wear the shirt to start, not 2.5 million just to wear the shirt. |
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Kanter was paid 2.5 million for the shirt at the final table. [/ QUOTE ] Holy crap. For 2.5 million I'd let them put a tatoo on my back, play the final table shirtless, and get it laser removed later. |
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[ QUOTE ] Kanter was paid 2.5 million for the shirt at the final table. [/ QUOTE ] Holy crap. For 2.5 million I'd let them put a tatoo on my back, play the final table shirtless, and get it laser removed later. [/ QUOTE ] I highly doubt he was paid that much money. |
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Kanter was paid 2.5 million for the shirt at the final table. [/ QUOTE ] Who paid him $2.5 million? |
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I am pwned.
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[ QUOTE ] The rule last year (at least for the preliminary events before the Main Event) was that you could not negotiate an endorsement for a televised final table once the final table was decided. In other words, if you didn't have a pre-existing agreement with an online sponsor before the final table was decided, you had to wait until after the event to sign a deal. I don't know how strictly it's enforced, but the online sites seemed to respect the rule, and I didn't see any players come to a final table sponsored who weren't previously sponsored. -Aces [/ QUOTE ] I kind of doubt that. I don't see how they could enforce that unless you have to sign something before the tournament starts. Even then, what could they possibly do other than make you not wear a FullTilt shirt (they prob couldn't even do that). [/ QUOTE ] Hmmmm...okay...then let me re-phrase my response... I made a final table last year. Just before the they let us go on break before the final table, the tournament director said that we were not allowed to negotiate any new deals with the online sponsors for that final table appearance. I didn't see any players come to a final table sponsored who weren't previously sponsored. -Aces |
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1 Take the smaller payment. Plus Full Tilt will pay you 10 million if you qualify from there freerolls and win thw whole thing.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The rule last year (at least for the preliminary events before the Main Event) was that you could not negotiate an endorsement for a televised final table once the final table was decided. In other words, if you didn't have a pre-existing agreement with an online sponsor before the final table was decided, you had to wait until after the event to sign a deal. I don't know how strictly it's enforced, but the online sites seemed to respect the rule, and I didn't see any players come to a final table sponsored who weren't previously sponsored. -Aces [/ QUOTE ] I kind of doubt that. I don't see how they could enforce that unless you have to sign something before the tournament starts. Even then, what could they possibly do other than make you not wear a FullTilt shirt (they prob couldn't even do that). [/ QUOTE ] Hmmmm...okay...then let me re-phrase my response... I made a final table last year. Just before the they let us go on break before the final table, the tournament director said that we were not allowed to negotiate any new deals with the online sponsors for that final table appearance. I didn't see any players come to a final table sponsored who weren't previously sponsored. -Aces [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for the info and congrats on your final table. I guess I was just wondering how they would police that, not let you play if you changed shirts or something. Also thought that final tables were played the next day, not just after a break. BTW, what final table did you make? How did you do? |
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Thanks for the info and congrats on your final table. I guess I was just wondering how they would police that, not let you play if you changed shirts or something. Also thought that final tables were played the next day, not just after a break. BTW, what final table did you make? How did you do? [/ QUOTE ] Thanks... Other than making the statement, they didn't seem to try to enforce it at all (again, I don't think anyone did it anyway). My best guess is that the WSOP has an agreement with the online sponsors, and that the online sponsors agree to refrain from this activity. In fact, the day *after* my final table, I was approached by Full Tilt for sponsorship for the rest of the 2005 Series. I took second place in the $1500 Limit event, the one that was won by Eric Froelich, the 21 year-old... -Aces |
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Good to have you on the forums, Jason. Will you teach us how to do the stare? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Hmmmm...okay...then let me re-phrase my response... I made a final table last year. Just before the they let us go on break before the final table, the tournament director said that we were not allowed to negotiate any new deals with the online sponsors for that final table appearance. I didn't see any players come to a final table sponsored who weren't previously sponsored. -Aces [/ QUOTE ] I would be interested to know if anyone challenged such statements by the TD. He has no authority to dictate such things on the fly. If it is stipulated pre-tourney that is one thing, but making such statements is pretty bogus. Congrats on the final table, BTW. |
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[ QUOTE ] I thought I had read that Andrew Black was less than thrilled with the treatment the Party folks were giving him. He won his seat through them but I thought he wore Full Tilt stuff at the final table. Anyone have a link or know whether I am remembering this accurately or not? [/ QUOTE ] Indeed, you are correct sir. Supposedly the story goes that he was treated like crap until they got down to the last few hundred or so and then they started sucking up to him. He completely blew them off. Kanter was paid 2.5 million for the shirt at the final table. [/ QUOTE ] you do realize that Andrew Black and Aaron Kanter are not the same person, right? |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I thought I had read that Andrew Black was less than thrilled with the treatment the Party folks were giving him. He won his seat through them but I thought he wore Full Tilt stuff at the final table. Anyone have a link or know whether I am remembering this accurately or not? [/ QUOTE ] Indeed, you are correct sir. Supposedly the story goes that he was treated like crap until they got down to the last few hundred or so and then they started sucking up to him. He completely blew them off. Kanter was paid 2.5 million for the shirt at the final table. [/ QUOTE ] you do realize that Andrew Black and Aaron Kanter are not the same person, right? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, they were two separate statements. Black didn't want to deal with them and went to Full Tilt and the STORY WENT that PP offered Aaron money to wear the shirt, he wanted 2 million for it and they agreed. But this is JUST WHAT I READ ON 2+2. |
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Good to have you on the forums, Jason. Will you teach us how to do the stare? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Thanks... You'd be surprised how easy it is to pull off a vacant stare at 4am after playing for two straight days, and heads-up for 4 hours... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] And I've actually been on this forum for quite a while (check out the registration date)...just don't post much... -Aces |
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Well, post more then. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Good luck at the series this year.
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Jason who?
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