Idea: session posts
 

Like many NL newbs, I don’t only have trouble with pot building, and how to get the most out of monsters, and when to make big laydowns, and how much to bet into pots getting largish with moderate holdings. I have trouble with the situations you vets know immediately how to deal with – the “normal” routine stuff that many of you guys take for granted.

So, I have a simple idea that has been implemented before in the forum I moderate – session posts. The idea is pretty simple. A respected poster picks a newer player who volunteers to post an entire session, of say 100-150 hands. No hands are skipped. Not even the boring fold 72o utg – the reason for this is simple: the leaks you don’t know you have are likely some of the most costly. The entire session, as a series of hand histories, is posted anonymously, either by an anonymous account or a mod or another respected poster acting as a proxy.

The way we did this in ML was to make a locked sticky and have people create new threads in responses to particular hands. A better method might be to have one large thread that is not locked or stickied where people respond to individual hands by posting the hand number in the subject line. Discussion of the hand could then commence in responses to that post. Ideally there would be many subthreads discussing many different hands.

I just wanted to throw this idea out there and gauge what many of you thought. If you don’t think this is a good idea, that is cool – I’m pretty thick skinned (I’m in academia after all – you kind of have to get used to people calling yr ideas stupid!).

If you guys do like this idea then I leave the methods of implementation up to popular consensus.

Thanks,
Greg

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I think this, and the session review pairings over in the limit forums both really worked well

I'd like to take part (on the novice side!) if it goes ahead!

Mat

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Seconded as an excellent idea

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I like it, and volunteer to post a session.

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sweet, i posted something like this easlier and go no responses because i'm not green.

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i will review or post, dont care either way.

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I'll participate and post my hand histories for sure. Count me in.

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great idea, put me in the "play a session" pool

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I'd call this a really fantastic idea. A new poster dumps a reasonable-length one-table session. That poster should:

1. NOT comment on anything whatsoever.
2. Convert ALL hands in the history prior to posting.
3. Number all hands for easy reference.

Afterwards, experienced posters who see flaws could create a thread with one hand, posting any relevant metagame issues ("hero folded every hand for the past orbit and a half" or "UTG+1 took a VERY bad beat four hands ago, and is likely steaming") along with their running commentary. It could be a good way to get some "big picture" ideas across regarding situationally dependent moves. We'd need an identifier code of some kind to make it clear that we were referencing the current Sample Session. Perhaps make the title something recognizable like:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/images/icons/link.gif [SS3] Hand #88: When to try a steal

The image and identifiers would allow people to quickly spot the type of thread (and how old it was -- SS3 would be the third Sample Session), and open it or not at their discretion.

We could change the Sample Session once per week, which should give people time to make any posts they wanted to make while still allowing for quite a variety of threads and discussions. Grunch (like how I volunteered him? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]) could also note at the very bottom of the Sample Session what the current waiting list for newer players who wanted to have their sessions included, along with the dates when the samples would be posted.

How does that sound as a first pass?

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I really like the idea. There was something similar some weeks ago, but it was 1 to 1 instead 1 session to be commented by the whole forum.

I'll be waiting for the session post. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

regards,

dardo

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great idea, put me in the "play a session" pool

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Me too. Is someone going to maintain a list based on this thread, or another sign-up list, or what? You're certainly welcome to use the Poker Wiki to maintain a list of volunteers; if someone wants to do that just start an article and tell us the title here.

I don't read this forum every day, so I'm afraid of missing out on this when it does come to fruition unless there's some systematic way of telling me where I fall on the list.

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I'd call this a really fantastic idea. A new poster dumps a reasonable-length one-table session. That poster should:

1. NOT comment on anything whatsoever.
2. Convert ALL hands in the history prior to posting.
3. Number all hands for easy reference.



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I'd rather they weren't converted. That way you can import them into Poker Tracker.

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yeah this could be cool. it would definitely highlight a lot of the unknown leaks in our games... I dont really think that a lot of subthreads is a good idea.. I can see there being multiple threads of the same hand. But i think this could be a cool idea if its done right.

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I think the subthreads idea is the only way to implement this - what I think Gregatron is suggesting, is starting a thread for a discussion of the hand in general, with titles such as "Tupacia Session Review Hand 67." Also, heck of an idea Gregatron and I'd be willing to both comment on other people's sessions as well as submit my own.

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Id love to post a session Ive had and get it reviewed....excellent idea

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I think this is a good idea. While most of your SSNL profit comes from big hands like the ones usually posted, someone who plays these well can still have big leaks. Many players have trouble with situations like floping middle pair in a 3-way pot or dealing with monochrome flops. These otherwise unremarkable hands would normally never get posted and the leaks never fixed.

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The problem with converting whole session is that you will not be able to tell who is who in different hands because names of player are converted to their position which changes from hand to hand.

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I think this is a good idea. While most of your SSNL profit comes from big hands like the ones usually posted, someone who plays these well can still have big leaks. Many players have trouble with situations like floping middle pair in a 3-way pot or dealing with monochrome flops. These otherwise unremarkable hands would normally never get posted and the leaks never fixed.

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Yes, this is very good point!

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send a raw HH, use a session replayer, convert hands that need to be converted for discussion.

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gregatron for pres, I love the idea.

I hope pokey/2paul2/TheFallenHero etc. post in responses to it, since I'm very certain their all solid money making players....

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I like it a lot, its a good idea because I agree a lot of leaks are not from the big decision that happen 3 times a session but the small ones that happen 3 times an orbit.

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Wow, what a great idea.

I would love to participate in this. Although I think my evaluation might be a tad lacking, but I might be able to post some interesting HH since I do goofy stuff too often.

Let me know how to get in.

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I personally wouldn’t mind having my name public, it might help if someone sees a session posts and then reviews a specific hand I post later on. As long as I’m not pegged as an ATM and buddy listed by everyone I think it’s ok to be public IMO.

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What is a good session replayer?

I think this is a good idea, i think we all have alot of problems that we don't realize are problems until pointed out.

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its a free software package that can be used to replay hands as if they are happening

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I got that part, but what is the name of one you recomend.

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I got that part, but what is the name of one you recomend.

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use PokerTracker...

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any chance someone could link the previous session discussion that took place in MSNL? I tried searching but couldn't find it.

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I like it, and volunteer to post a session.

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Good idea, I'd be up for participating also.

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count me in - especially the posting a session side

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Does anybody know a good session replayer OTHER than pokertracker? I find going through sessions in the pokertracker replayer really slow and annoying. Ideally this replayer would have two characteristics:

1. You could set it to autoplay hands quickly, maybe 4x the live speed or so, and then pause it when you came to something interesting.

2. You could have it give you the stats on the various players for all the hands up to the current one, updated as the hands go by. That is, you should get the statistics on the players at the same rate as the person playing the session did.

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Yep. I think the best way to check a long session HH is replaying it. And later convert only the hands you want to comment in detail.

regards,

dardo

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I've been playing sngs professionally for about a year now, and I have recently switched to cash. I would be all about doing this.

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Yep. I think the best way to check a long session HH is replaying it. And later convert only the hands you want to comment in detail.

regards,

dardo

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Yeah, the replayer is definitely the way to go. There is a pretty good one that works on party poker HH for those that don't use poker tracker.

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I like the idea, but I also suggest adding this caveat. Volunteer should be single-tabling, since read-based plays such as "UTG+1 is probably tilting" is harder to pick up when you multi-play. I'll pass on volunteering, because I multi all the time, and single-table play bores me.

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Yep. I think the best way to check a long session HH is replaying it. And later convert only the hands you want to comment in detail.

regards,

dardo

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Yeah, the replayer is definitely the way to go. There is a pretty good one that works on party poker HH for those that don't use poker tracker.

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would you mind posting the name/link?