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Calling is much better than raising IMO.

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How big a river bet are you calling?

How often do you expect a mostly-unknown to fire that third barrell?

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Obviously you can be put to the test if a safe looking card comes up and he bets fairly strongly. You just have to make a decision, but to me raising the turn is a bit like saying you don't think you'll make enough correct decisions on the river. 3-barrelling with nothing is actually quite rare at 3/6, though a decent bluff card could come up here. Equally a scare care for villian could come up and they may check down a hand that would call your flop raise.

Probably I'd call most rivers against a wild/active villian. Especially if they bought in short - hardly any really decent players do that.

Re: MINRAIZIN\'! : $3/$6 6-Max
 

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Equally a scare care for villian could come up and they may check down a hand that would call your flop raise.

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This may or may not be a good thing.

Re: MINRAIZIN\'! : $3/$6 6-Max
 

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Equally a scare care for villian could come up and they may check down a hand that would call your flop raise.

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This may or may not be a good thing.

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Yes but hero's hand is one he wants to take to showdown, and not build the pot up. The point of the min-raise on the turn is not really to bluff or value-bet but to try to get to a showdown. I'm just saying that he may get there without having to call another substantial bet, even if villian has a slightly better hand (which I agree is unlikely in that villian is probably way ahead if he is ahead).

Re: MINRAIZIN\'! : $3/$6 6-Max
 

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i prefer to call all the way down regardless of river though....imo he has something like JT or 99 or 77 a lot here

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How big a river bet are you calling?

How often do you expect a mostly-unknown to fire that third barrell?

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i dont expect him to fire a third barrell that often unless ive seen him be especially crazy. i expect a large % of the time river goes check/check.

as for calling if he does bet, it depends on timing and amount. im probably not calling more than 1/2 pot but it totally depends

Re: MINRAIZIN\'! : $3/$6 6-Max
 

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Equally a scare care for villian could come up and they may check down a hand that would call your flop raise.

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This may or may not be a good thing.

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Yes but hero's hand is one he wants to take to showdown, and not build the pot up. The point of the min-raise on the turn is not really to bluff or value-bet but to try to get to a showdown. I'm just saying that he may get there without having to call another substantial bet, even if villian has a slightly better hand (which I agree is unlikely in that villian is probably way ahead if he is ahead).

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My point is that if he has a worse hand that he'd call the minraise with, then we lose money each time a scare card freezes up the betting on the river.

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Jim why not 250? seems stronger for minimal more cost

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Jim why not 250? seems stronger for minimal more cost

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And we want it to seem stronger why? To make it less likely a weaker ten calls?

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Jim why not 250? seems stronger for minimal more cost

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And we want it to seem stronger why? To make it less likely a weaker ten calls?

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No to make it less likely we get rebluffed because some people have the ability to spot minraises.

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No to make it less likely we get rebluffed because some people have the ability to spot minraises.

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He is WAY more likely to "take his odds" with spades or J9 vs a minraise than to jam over it after you called flop and minraised turn, if that is in fact what he has. Our flat call/minraise turn line may very well look very scary to him, as it looks like we are trying to keep him in with a huge hand, and doesn't look like a semibluff. Raising more obviously has the advantage of charging more if he has a draw, but I am not doing it because it "looks stronger" and im scared of him jamming. If Jim thinks its far more likely for him to have a hand like JT/QT/KT than a semibluff, and hed call the minraise but not the 250 because it looks "stronger", what would you prefer to do? I'm fine with Jim's play here.

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inta raise flop or call turn