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Havlat and Elias will play 3 and 4 million the day Bill Guerin decides to give half his contract back to his team out of charity. Both players would be giving up 3 million a year for 3-4 years - that's not going to happen. Again, I think a 1% chance of them playing together is pretty high. Kariya and Selanne played together because it was in everyone's best interest - Kariya signed for 1.2 million because he would be a UFA early, and Selanne had no problem going along with that plan.

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This is for next year, not over 3-4 years. Havlat said he only wants 1 year. No one is "giving up" 3m. You said the Sharks couldn't afford them when it's quite possible they could. Note POSSIBLE.

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No, it's not possible. They can't do it. They'd have to trade for Havlat, first of all, then sign him to a 3M deal which is seriously unlikely because he's due 2.866 million even before any raise for his play in the regular season and playoffs. If Havlat goes to arbitration he probably gets around 4.2 to 5 million. I'll even be generous and split this and call it 4.

Elias is not signing a one year deal anywhere. He is signing for many years, at least 4 and probably 5. He scored 61 points in 47 games coming off hepatitis A - he's the best left wing in the game. I think he will get mid to high 6s and there may be a team foolish enough to commit low 7s to him. That's 11M added to the Sharks, plus all their group 2 contracts that are mandatory 10% increases.

No team in the NHL can afford both Havlat and Elias, and this rumor has come from nowhere anyway - just the fact that Elias has Havlat's agent.

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No, it's not possible. They can't do it. They'd have to trade for Havlat, first of all, then sign him to a 3M deal which is seriously unlikely because he's due 2.866 million even before any raise for his play in the regular season and playoffs. If Havlat goes to arbitration he probably gets around 4.2 to 5 million. I'll even be generous and split this and call it 4.

Elias is not signing a one year deal anywhere. He is signing for many years, at least 4 and probably 5. He scored 61 points in 47 games coming off hepatitis A - he's the best left wing in the game. I think he will get mid to high 6s and there may be a team foolish enough to commit low 7s to him. That's 11M added to the Sharks, plus all their group 2 contracts that are mandatory 10% increases.

No team in the NHL can afford both Havlat and Elias, and this rumor has come from nowhere anyway - just the fact that Elias has Havlat's agent.

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Umm... maybe you aren't getting this but tons of teams would be able to AFFORD ( <- please read that) Havlat and Elias.

No where did I say Elias is singing a one year deal. It's a rumor that Elias wants to play with Havlat. Niedermeyer took a paycut to play with his brother. It's possible Elias can be had a discount with Havlat. Again, possible. So Elias at 6 and Havlat at 5 = 11m. Did you not read the salary cap increased this year? That's another 5m to spend, Havlat is able to sign. Get rid of Nabokov = another 5m. Trading to get Havlat or Elias might mean another player is gone. That's another 1m. Thornton + McCauley gone? Another 3m free. How can you say it's not possible to have Havlat and Elias? Did you flunk math? Several teams are able to afford $11m, especially when they have a 5m increase in the cap. Saying it's not possible is beyond silly.

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The increase in the cap will go to cover RFA pay increases for most teams, including arbitration awards.

Niedermayer took a discount to play with his brother, but his brother got most of his money anyway - Rob Niedermayer is being paid 2.2 when he's worth 1.5.

No I didn't flunk math - it will just be very difficult for a team to afford both, and even if they do for one season, it will become increasingly difficult to do so in future seasons. Toskala's not going to make his salary forever, Patrick Plateau is UFA soon, as is Joe Thornton. Evgeni Nabokov will be very difficult to move - I expect him to be dealt for nothing if the Sharks can find a buyer. They may even have to consider waiving him. To get Havlat, the Sharks would have to give up either Marleau (if he's UFA at end of 2007, I forget if he is or not) or some prospects like Milachek/Ehrhoff.

If the Sharks didn't acquire Thornton, I would've put them as the only team capable of pulling this Havlat/Elias nonsense off, not that any team should even want both players together. Now I see it as incredibly unlikely - they just have the same agent.

We could get a bet going - since you're so confident, I'll give you 10 to 1.

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Of course it's incredibily unlikely, I didn't say I expect this to happen. I'm just stating that it is possible several teams can afford $11m.

I doubt Marleau will be moved... he was rumored to be dealt during this season but that was quickly dismissed as he's the captain, fan fav, and has been the face of the organization for a long time. Not to mention he's clutch in the playoffs [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Besides, who want's a potential Lady Byng winner?

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Trade

Minnesota gets Pavel Demitra
LA gets Patrick O'Sullivan & 1st rd pick (#17?)

Great deal for Minnesota. Demitra, Rolston & Gaborik is some serious punch.

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Are you kidding me? This is one of the worst deals I've heard of, Demitra is vastly overrated now, 1st round pick is worth something and my bro O Sullivan who I used to fight when he was on the Ice Dogs has skill if he can ever learn to backcheck and not float so much.

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A proven NHL'er who's still got quite a few good years in him is worth more than a prospect & a pick to a team like Minnesota. I know, I know, you played hockey so you know everything, but this is a good deal for both sides.

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The question is will Demitra ever show up come playoff time?

sincerely,
disgruntled Blues fan

ok...kinds harsh, he had a few good series. HOwever, he was never quite the team leader come playoff time and I was not unhappy to see him go.

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Demitra has a rep as not showing up for the playoffs and it is well-deserved. However I think the new NHL has mitigated that effect - guys like Stillman, Whitney, and Recchi were terrible in the playoffs pre-lockout, but somehow performed solidly for the 'Canes. There's more space with which to operate, and the softer players don't have to fight through as many checks to get to the net.

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The Wild will be happy to make the playoffs. If he disappears, at least they get the extra playoff monies.

Huet signs, Arnason not qualified.
 

Cristobal Huet signs for 2 years with Montreal at I believe 5.7 M total.

Tyler Arnason was not qualified by the Ottawa Senators - he will be an unrestricted free agent. Qualifying offers are due today so by tomorrow we should know who was and wasn't qualified.

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Martin Biron signs qualifying offer with the Sabres and demands a trade. Good luck on that one.

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canucks made a qualifying offer to Luango for this season for 3.2 mil. How quickly will they sign him to a long term deal.

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TRADE: Boston deals D Nick Boynton and a 4th round pick in 2007 to Phoenix for D Paul Mara and a 3rd in 2007 or 2008.

This deal was rumored to be happening at the draft but didn't go down on Saturday. Mara's from Boston (well, born in Ridgewood, NJ) and Boston seems to love acquiring these kinds of players - good offensive upside. Boynton's a better defensive defenseman.

Mantooth, I think Lupien and Luongo are testing the UFA market next summer. I don't think Vancouver has any intention of retaining Luongo long-term.

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Laviolette signs a 5-year deal. Our draft pick was something along the lines of backup stick boy, so Rutherford is trying to keep the core players together. Obviously have to let some go, esp. the guys that jumped on board for the cup run. Recchi, I believe, is headed back to Pittsburgh. Stillman indicated that he wants to finish out his career here. Interestingly, Doug Weight is still in Raleigh and hasn't returned to Missouri as of yesterday. House hunting (hehe)? He'd come with quite a price tag. Gerber will certainly be looking for a starting goalie position, as he doesn't want to be Ward's backup. It makes me nervous as hell to have Cam Ward starting. He did great in the playoffs, but Gerber got us there. Don't know if Ward can take an 82 game season.

Where the hell is Pronger headed and how can you trust a guy that takes off on a juicy 5-yr. deal? TSA was indicating Toronto, but who the hell would they trade for him? I couldn't see them giving up any of their core players, and no one else could come close to Pronger's worth. I feel for Edmonton--what a bastard!

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Where the hell is Pronger headed and how can you trust a guy that takes off on a juicy 5-yr. deal? TSA was indicating Toronto, but who the hell would they trade for him? I couldn't see them giving up any of their core players, and no one else could come close to Pronger's worth. I feel for Edmonton--what a bastard!

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Apparently his wife hates living in Edmonton. I guess teams should go after pleasing his wife...

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edmonton tried to trade pronger to florida

"Reportedly GM Kevin Lowe asked Florida GM Mike Keenan for 23-year-old defenseman Jay Bouwmeester, 21-year-old center Nathan Horton and the 10th-overall pick in yesterday's draft for Pronger, who will turn 32 in October. While these discussions obviously did not go anywhere, if this is an indication of what it will take to get the Oilers' blueliner, it will be a while before he changes addresses. (Mon. Jun 26, 2006) "

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Recchi and Weight are unlikely to be retained. I just don't feel like the 'Canes need Doug Weight, and I feel like someone will overpay him. He's really not that effective at this point anyway.

More news: Matthew Barnaby and Curtis Brown were bought out by Chicago. Both were terrible. Barnaby's career could be about over.

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Mantooth - if that's even approaching the truth, Pronger isn't moving. There isn't a GM in the league that would give up that for him.

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Zurvan - I thought that report was ridiculous as well. I do think that they might have been able to make a better overall trade before the draft. Now it will be difficult.

Truimph - any reason why you don't think vancouver will not want to try and sign Luango to a long term deal?

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Truimph - any reason why you don't think vancouver will not want to try and sign Luango to a long term deal?


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I can't speak for Triumph, but it's been pretty well established that Luongo wants to hit the UFA market. IMO, if Vancouver could sign Luongo long-term, they would. I just don't think Luongo would take anything less than max dollars right now. Once he hits the open market, he may realize that he can't get max money. If Brodeur is making $5.5 M, there's no way Luongo gets 7.5 - 8.

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Brodeur's making 6M and even so, Brodeur has never been a UFA in his career.

Luongo's agent is Gilles Lupien, a big time [censored] - he absolutely refuses to deal with Lou L. at this point, I believe. I am sure Luongo and Lupien are convinced he will get big $$$ on the open market. I think Vancouver will try to sign Luongo long-term but I just don't think they will be able to - Luongo isn't worth a max contract and unless that's what Vancouver offers, Roberto's going to test the market.

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Brodeur's making 6M and even so, Brodeur has never been a UFA in his career

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Is it 6? Close enough [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

My point wasn't that Brodeur couldn't get more than 6M, it's that he didn't. He's set the gold standard for goaltender salaries at $6M. Any GM can point to that and say "You are not as good as Brodeur, there's no way we give you $2M/yr more".

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Thing is, Brodeur has always negotiated his own deals, so he's not giving away a huge cut to his agent. As a result he can sign for less - and he's usually given the Devils a slight discount on top of that. Luongo will get more than Brodeur on the open market, just as Brodeur would've gotten more on the open market than he did by staying in New Jersey. 'You don't get more than X' doesn't apply when there's 5 or 6 teams bargaining for your services.

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Bruins fire Mike Sullivan - no surprise there.

Carolina re-signs Frantisek Kaberle to a 4 year deal worth 8.8 million. Too many years, too expensive. Should be something like 3/6.

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I am surprised no one has posted on Pronger's request to be traded.The reason sounds like garbage his wife doesnt like Edmonton.Once I like to see a guy honor his contract.

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See above. I wonder what sort of precedence this will set in the NHL. A guy signs <font color="red">a frigging contract </font> for 5 years and demands to be traded after less than a year. Not only that, but to insult the city that he played for and take off to Mexico (for those chilly Mexican summers) to avoid the media? There's got to be more to this story than "my wife doesn't like it here." I hope Edmonton trades him to Calgary. Somewhere nice and close so the Oilers fans can let him know what they think of him at every game.

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There's got to be more to this story than "my wife doesn't like it here."

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Why? His wife still spends most of her time in St Louis with their kids, from what I heard. I'd want to be traded, too. Of course, I wouldn't marry somebody like that. For $7M/year, you live in Edmonton. It's supposedly a nice place.

Pronger isn't going anywhere - there isn't a GM in the league dumb enough to pay what Lowe wants, and Lowe knows he'll play his butt off even if he stays.

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Brodeur's making 6M and even so, Brodeur has never been a UFA in his career.

Luongo's agent is Gilles Lupien, a big time [censored] - he absolutely refuses to deal with Lou L. at this point, I believe. I am sure Luongo and Lupien are convinced he will get big $$$ on the open market. I think Vancouver will try to sign Luongo long-term but I just don't think they will be able to - Luongo isn't worth a max contract and unless that's what Vancouver offers, Roberto's going to test the market.

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While I think it's a safer bet that Luongo will hit the UFA market next year.. Lupien will meet with the Canucks.

The Canucks qualified Luongo at $3.2 million, which gives the club his rights for the 2006-07 season, but the radio station is also reporting that Luongo's agent, Gilles Lupien, will meet with his client in Montreal this week to discuss the prospects of a long term deal.

Lupien, as you would expect, praised the Canucks today while taking a few pot shots at the Panthers.

"It was completely different," Lupien said after his initial discussion on Friday night with Nonis. "(With the Panthers) it was, 'We want five (years) and shut your mouth.'


Now on to the rumors! Thescore supposedly ran a ticker by saying that Ottawa and San Jose are hammering down a deal that will feature Havlat and Toskala traded. The condition being if Havlat will sign for 3 years.

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I got to think it involves another women. Maybe he cheated on his wife with another women and she wants out of the hockey hotbed were women are throwing themselves at him.
You thought Dougy weight got booed wait till Pronger plays here with another team

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I got to think it involves another women. Maybe he cheated on his wife with another women and she wants out of the hockey hotbed were women are throwing themselves at him.
You thought Dougy weight got booed wait till Pronger plays here with another team

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First off, who wants ghostly, freckled canadian women thrown at them... and secondly, Pronger is already boo'd much more in SJ than Weight in EDM. It won't be anything new for the big man. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Why? His wife still spends most of her time in St Louis with their kids, from what I heard. I'd want to be traded, too. Of course, I wouldn't marry somebody like that. For $7M/year, you live in Edmonton. It's supposedly a nice place.


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If a guy loves his family, it comes before everything else. But why sign a 5 yr. contract without finding out whether your family can live in an area or not? At 6+ mil, an awesome season, and the ink not even dry, why not give it another year? I gotta agree with lozen here--if not out of logic, then out of idle speculation (*cough*gossip*cough*).

In the States, we have a lot of sports to go around and only hockey fans can recognize the team. The hockey players deal with autographs, yells of encouragement and high-fives, but they can largely move around unmolested. I don't know if people have anything else to do in Edmonton besides watch hockey. Being an Oiler player there is probably like being Mick Jagger walking naked down a NYC street at noon with his hair on fire.

With absolutely no sources to back me up, I say the puck bunnies of Edmonton did the Oilers in. [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

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First off, who wants ghostly, freckled canadian women thrown at them...

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lollerskates - go to edmonton sometime

it's a beautiful city, almost certainly better than living in st. louis

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Mark Cuban and Dan Marino possibly buying the Pittsburgh Penguins. Mmmmmkay....

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Boynton signs for 3 years with Phoenix - 2.95 million per season. The Coyotes overpaid by $500K a season.

Stars pick up option on Jon Klemm - god knows why.

Bruins name Dave Lewis aka Hitler Mustache as coach.

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In LOL news, Jeremy Roenick says he wants to come back and play with a Canadian team. He's the anti Chris Pronger's wife: Hopefully it's a city with legal gambling nearby

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The Leafs are gonna sign Roenick. I just know it.

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Speaking of old and awful, the Leafs signed a 5 year 5.75M per year deal for Bryan McCabe. They will regret this.

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Speaking of old and awful, the Leafs signed a 5 year 5.75M per year deal for Bryan McCabe. They will regret this.

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Source?

Latest info I see is that the deal isn't worked out yet.

I call sign &amp; trade, McCabe/Pronger straight up [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I wouldn't want to believe it either, Zurvan - I tried to lock out my own team signing Vladimir Malakhov but it was all true.

TSN reports McCabe signed

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Wow, Roberto Luongo signs long-term with Vancouver - I'm very surprised. 4 years, 27 million, with a no-trade clause for the final three seasons.

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the hot rumour going around is that pronger got some edmonton chica pregnant and that's why his wife wants him out of there.